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    Sorry ... what these English terms:

    * Chad
    * Incel

    ...means?


    A chad ... so called Alpha guy and one kind of womanizer?

    A incel ... today's young men ... those who have dropped outside of wheel/system/society (who will not manage anymore in ''competition'' and/or at schools) ... already at the age 15-16 years old? And because of that their whole future life will look (and be) weak/bad? Or do they manage ok all the other ways/areas, except opposite sex?

    Or something totally different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    A chad ... so called Alpha guy and one kind of womanizer?
    Sort of. A 'Chad' is a stereotype of the handsome guy who get's all the attention and sexual interests of women, mostly by no other merits than being physically attractive and self-confident (of which the latter is a direct consequence of being a 'Chad'). A 'Chad' can be a womanizer, and would find great ease in being so, but he can also choose not to be. It is the high level of physical attraction from women that ultimately decides who's a 'Chad'.

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    A incel ... today's young men ... those who have dropped outside of wheel/system/society (who will not manage anymore in ''competition'' and/or at schools) ... already at the age 15-16 years old? And because of that their whole future life will look (and be) weak/bad? Or do they manage ok all the other ways/areas, except opposite sex?
    'Incel' stands for "involuntary celibate", and is merely a blanket term for guys who can't get laid. Most of them probably suffer in other specters of their lives, as well, but what ultimately makes them an 'incel' is their lack of attraction and sexual interest from women.
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    Just adding to Žoreišar's post.

    Quote Originally Posted by FS
    A incel ... today's young men ... those who have dropped outside of wheel/system/society (who will not manage anymore in ''competition'' and/or at schools)
    Boys in that category are called NEETs ("Not in Education, Employment, or Training"), incels can be NEETs, a certain number of them are definitely NEETs - but these crowds are not interchangeable per se.

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    Or do they manage ok all the other ways/areas, except opposite sex?
    It's possible. There are incels who have their life perfectly in order, but simply fail to attract women, for whatever reason.

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    A chad ... so called Alpha guy and one kind of womanizer?
    A chad is not necessarily an alpha - there are far more chads in this world than there are alphas, perhaps four times as many. In the purest sense of the word a Chad is a handsome guy with a few traits which are irresistible for women and who has the opportunity to sleep with many different women - a Chad is a womanizer or at least someone who exploits his success with the ladies. But a guy can also have Chad looks and innate Chad qualities and be called a Chad by his peers, while not acting on the opportunity to have many different sexual liaisons. Such a guy is only a Chad in the broadest sense of the word, just like a beautiful young lady who doesn't sleep around is only a Stacey in name.
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    BPS made a video about our favorite subject...

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    I do like BPS, his videos are usually on the money.

    It’s only going to be a fraction of incels that are an actual threat to other people. The Elliot Rogers of their circle, who are psychologically damaged individuals to begin with. Very few have any physical strength or training, so an incel rebellion would never last long or go well for them.

    If the current mass migration of battle aged men continues however there will be so many they will cause great civil unrest. I hate to say it, but that could be a necessary reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Just adding to Žoreišar's post.



    Boys in that category are called NEETs ("Not in Education, Employment, or Training"), incels can be NEETs, a certain number of them are definitely NEETs - but these crowds are not interchangeable per se.

    It's possible. There are incels who have their life perfectly in order, but simply fail to attract women, for whatever reason.
    Thanks to clarify this.

    By then ... yes .... these NEETs have been on table here as well. Even our present president showed his concerns/worries about them (situation/development). Finland has been the leading countries what comes to education. The girls are still doing fine ....actually they are the only ones who can still compete with best of Asians (Japaneses, Singaporeans, Chinese, South Koreans etc.) but the boys are falling by the wayside ... more and more.

    Pure Incels? No as such.

    I think there have been ''incels'' since women have been able to support themselves (and influence with whom they will live with)? What can be said? Life is not ''fair''. You can born rich or poor person, cute or ugly, healthy or sick etc. And it has been that never (''fair'' ) .... organized marriages, slaveries etc. Nope, we can only ''play with cards'' we'll get ...and try do that the best possible ways.

    The same ''problematic'' concerns all the mammal males; not only humans. All of those will not mate, and this is how ''mother nature'' planned it to be. So is that ''wrong''? Or faults of their females?

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    Another reason why incels exist and complain... and why men have become cautious in their dealings with women.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    Sorry ... what these English terms:

    * Chad
    * Incel

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    A chad ... so called Alpha guy and one kind of womanizer?

    A incel ... today's young men ... those who have dropped outside of wheel/system/society (who will not manage anymore in ''competition'' and/or at schools) ... already at the age 15-16 years old? And because of that their whole future life will look (and be) weak/bad? Or do they manage ok all the other ways/areas, except opposite sex?

    Or something totally different?
    They are not proper English words, they are internet slang words which usually come from America. But I'd never heard chad. In Britain, Chad used to be the name of a joke character looking over a wall with a message in the form of "Wot, no . . ." i.e. "What, is there no [something]". Like this:


    Most of these 'funny' internet memes I find pathetic and often annoying. Another aspect of dumbed-down culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    By then ... yes .... these NEETs have been on table here as well. Even our present president showed his concerns/worries about them (situation/development). Finland has been the leading countries what comes to education. The girls are still doing fine ....actually they are the only ones who can still compete with best of Asians (Japaneses, Singaporeans, Chinese, South Koreans etc.) but the boys are falling by the wayside ... more and more.
    I think there are several factors contributing to this. Firstly, the lower stages of education are all vastly occupied by female teachers, resulting in a "feminization" of the manner by which children and adolescents are being taught. Female and male brains work differently, and being taught by someone of a similar thought-pattern as oneself is greatly beneficial. Another factor, is that most boys just aren't as naturally apt at sitting still on a desk and paying attention. Boys are around three times more likely than girls to be diagnosed with ADHD, for example. You always have a small number of boys and young men who have no problem sitting still for hours on end, paying intense attention to everything they're seeing and hearing, and managing to remember all of it. These were the kind of people that used to go on from elementary school and study in universities and colleges. Now, it is much more expected and required for any young man to do so, if he wants to progress in life. But although society has drastically changed, nature stays the same.

    Then there is also the effect that feminism has had on the young generations, and their perception of themselves. Girls are indoctrinated to believe in the animating myth of how the "patriarchy" have willfully kept women down since time immemorial, being denied positions of leadership and influence, and that female "empowerment" (that is; dedicating one's life to a career) is the salvation to all the World's ills. Men are ment to step aside and give women their time to shine. And so the story goes. There is no comparable motivation or purpose for the male sex to excel and reach positions of power and influence, other than to serve their own selfish interests. And if their immediate selfish interests are better served by playing video-games and watching porn all day, what do they really have to gain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    I think there have been ''incels'' since women have been able to support themselves (and influence with whom they will live with)? What can be said? Life is not ''fair''. You can born rich or poor person, cute or ugly, healthy or sick etc. And it has been that never (''fair'' ) .... organized marriages, slaveries etc. Nope, we can only ''play with cards'' we'll get ...and try do that the best possible ways.

    The same ''problematic'' concerns all the mammal males; not only humans. All of those will not mate, and this is how ''mother nature'' planned it to be. So is that ''wrong''? Or faults of their females?
    Humans differ from most of the animal kingdom in that women are left with the sole power of choosing their mate (or choosing none at all). The females of our closest relatives among the primates, for example, will gladly procreate with any adult male that tries to woo her, and the real competition takes place between the males themselves, usually by way of violent conflicts. I wouldn't describe either of the different procedures as less fair than the other one. But blame for any circumstance should be placed on the party responsible for the outcome. In the case of the beaten stag, he would blame the superior counterpart whom ran him off from a chance to procreate. And in the case of the incel, he would blame the women who turned him down and never gave him a second look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    I think there are several factors contributing to this. Firstly, the lower stages of education are all vastly occupied by female teachers,
    Sure...as we faces lack of qualified male teachers. One can not put a welder etc. to teach biology or maths (only because he is a man). Or you ''can'' ... but the results might not be very good. Finnish schools would absolutely hire more male teachers ... if there just would be more of those. This is like circle ... if one will not succeed at school, he will not most likely end up University either. Money is not the question here (in Nordic countries), but too bad school success will close many doors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Female and male brains work differently, and being taught by someone of a similar thought-pattern as oneself is greatly beneficial.
    Sure and this is the main theme in school discussions => How to teach boys better ways.
    No matter what (what the used teaching methods might be) ... the students will need learn enough. No matter their sex. Period!

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Another factor, is that most boys just aren't as naturally apt at sitting still on a desk and paying attention. Boys are around three times more likely than girls to be diagnosed with ADHD, for example.
    Earlier days majority of boys still could sit in stables quite well (whole school days) and they still do that in Asian countries. So what part of that comes from culture, lack of discipline and via bad upbringing and what from real ADHD cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    You always have a small number of boys and young men who have no problem sitting still for hours on end, paying intense attention to everything they're seeing and hearing, and managing to remember all of it. These were the kind of people that used to go on from elementary school and study in universities and colleges.
    And most likely those will still end up the leading positions in society ... as they are more ambitious, more ready to play dirty/hard and their parts of making kids....takes quite short time.... vs girls. I doubt they will be called Incels either ... no matter how they will look like.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Humans differ from most of the animal kingdom in that women are left with the sole power of choosing their mate (or choosing none at all). The females of our closest relatives among the primates, for example, will gladly procreate with any adult male that tries to woo her, and the real competition takes place between the males themselves, usually by way of violent conflicts.
    I think they are gladly procreate with male who wins those conflicts ... not with all of them. That's the point of conflicts. There is a prize of winning that. If nobody (males) would need to fight for ''rights'' to procreate...nobody would either do that. It is risky. Bit a ''egg or chicken'' issue?

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