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    Quote Originally Posted by Sól View Post
    Who says they aren't allowed to have standards? Preferences in a sexual or romantic partner are something personal, nobody enforces them onto you. What some people criticise about incels is that they are hypocritical. They complain when women have high standards.
    Preferences aren't exactly the same thing as a standard, preferences are rather harmless, mostly. And yet men's preferences are constantly scrutinized as well. That's why we don't have a bikini contest during Miss USA anymore, for instance. Men are supposed to be happy with what they can get and our traditional standard is considered sexist - and what we get is not worth making any sacrifices for. She can be a 2 in every way, but a guy still has to be an 8. There's no relationship/dating standard for women anymore like there still is for men.

    You can even see this evolution in porn, as Sandman pointed out on YT. Back in the Eighties porn movies always featured normal looking fellows getting it on with models, way out of their league. Nowadays it's the other way around, women in the adult movie industry are often average looking and they're screwing handsome men.

    The bottom line is that women (can) still expect a man to have all traditional male qualities, while being a good male feminist of course, yet at the same time a man can not expect the same thing from a woman without committing social suicide. The bar must be raised again for women - and men can play a role in this. This is where MGTOW enters the picture. Any standard would be better than the absence of standard.

    Some incels are hypocritical, some aren't - just like some are ugly and some are average looking - what connects them all is that they're single for a myriad of reasons, not hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    Anyway, these preferences come from biology, as some here already explained. People are programmed to be attracted to those who will give them good quality offspring, even if most of us don't actually plan on having children. But the innate desire is still there, at least for heteros.
    Yes, it's pretty natural, yet women's tendency to pursue the best possible mate was never harmless. Our ancestors recognised this and had social mechanisms which ensured women had to be monogamous and there were restrictions placed on female sexuality to keep their monkey branching tendencies in check, hence preventing them from wrecking marriage/relationship after marriage/relationship and extreme gold-digging wasn't an option either. And there's the extra issue of women not being very good at pursuing the best possible mate, yet they still have that innate desire to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    That's assuming most women today still want marriage. The trends have changed, many women also enjoy freedom. I wouldn't like to be tied to someone, for example. And those women who want to be married at any cost will still be married. If their guy won't marry them, they will find someone else who does.
    Yes, and then these women will find some fault with the guy who does want to marry them and hence they remain single in practice. While the group of women who desire marriage has shrunk, it's still something the average woman may want, quite like motherhood. But men being the gatekeepers to marriage and saying 'no' pretty much means women have to accept an unmarried life and adapt, settle for less, just like incels have to accept being involuntary celibate. It's an issue in women's mags, is it not? "Where have all the good guys gone?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    How do you define worthless and useless? A lot of people say that incels fit that definition. And they too, have standards.
    How do I define worthless/useless? I simply enough compare modern women to the expectancies of men's traditional standard for women. So that would be lacking all the personal traits and skills our (great)grandmothers brought to the table because they weren't raised by wolves: stitching, sewing, cooking, being generally useful around the house, not competing against their husbands, loyalty, devotion and respect, a minimum of drama. Not being covered in tattoos. Having an acceptable bodycount (past sexual history). Perhaps most importantly: being nurturing with a maternal mindset. Putting family first. In short: everything that makes a woman attractive. Because it's hard to be attracted to a feminist as a guy, no matter how heterosexual you are.

    Yes, incels have a standard: must be willing to sleep with them. There's no real equivalent here, Sol. Women are infinitely more picky than men during mate selection.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    But anyway, how exactly do you plan to avoid it that people have standards when it comes to choosing a romantic partner?
    Why would I want that? For me the question is: how to combat hypergamy? Exactly the way J.B. Peterson proposes and the way it was done for centuries. Mate selection should be the responsibility of parents and family in the first place. Such an important matter should be left to the adults, not to clueless young people. Of course sons/daughters should have a say in the matter as well and they can make suggestions of their own, but receiving your parents blessing ought to be crucial.

    So the answer is enforced monogamy, I've said it several times before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    In reality, modern women are doing nothing different from what modern men do. We choose our own partners, and afford to be picky.
    It's completely different, Sol. You can't reasonably maintain men are as picky as women. Where does this happen? For women relationships can improve their socio-economic mobility, for men not so much. Putting it rather harshly: Women want someone who is "better" than them ... smarter, taller, richer, stronger, more popular. Men rarely date/breed/marry upwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    Incels obviously want to change that. If their wet dream became reality, women would be turned into housemaids and sexual slaves. However, incels should have a look at history. Treating women like second class citizens can only work for so long. Even slaves revolt. And now you're reaping the result of that... It's sad when you treat part of your folk as if they were negroes. But be sure they will never accept that kind of treatment.
    Do you truly believe women were treated like blacks in the U.S.? It's the feminist take on things: women were repressed by the mythical patriarchy until the suffragettes. Perhaps this holds true for the 19th century and the era of industrialization, but women were not repressed for the better part of history, they were free to be women. Femininity wasn't frowned upon in the past and women didn't have to emulate men. I can think of nothing more liberating.

    And you could just as easily say that women were privileged since day one anyway, not a nuanced view, but not less nonsensical than the concept of patriarchy keepin' the wimmins down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sol
    What's the point of setling for second best? Would you? I doubt it...
    I'm a guy, of course I would. Even for the third or fourth best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Incels don't expect a woman to choose them over a chad, maybe only in their fantasies - in theory a woman who is as unattractive or even less than them is good enough,
    As far as I've seen so far incels aim high, they don't like unattractive women. Just go over to the Afrocity or any other community supersaturated with incels and see what kind of women they're looking for. There was a guy on Tinder complaining that he only gets messages from average looking women. Even that fat schizophrenic gypo on Austrian welfare wants women looking like the Sunny Cowgirls. What they want is for women not to be allowed to have any standards, so that they would get a piece of action. But they themselves will still go for the slim, good looking, out of their league woman.

    In addition, incels believe their opinions regarding attractiveness are universal truth. Check this thread on the Afrocity for some incel logic regarding this. Some guy (probably an incel who thinks he looks like this model) asks a rating for some Italian model. When people give him a less than desirable rating, he immediately goes on a rant how unfair it is, and how picky women are. One of those incels even proposed legalizing rape to "cure them judgmental bitches".

    Another Afrocity gem: Are the women that message you on dating sites a reflection of your own attractiveness?

    And yet another: Do looks matter for women? Why men today in the west are basically, totally fucked

    incels don't understand why their female equivalents don't want to be with them (the answer is hypergamy!)
    Rather a combination between poor genetics (here's some funny memes)





    + photos of incels themselves



    and, more importantly, poor attitude. Many incels are ugly but ugly non-incels still get women, so it's not just a matter of bad bone structure or whatever. Women generally dislike the attitude of incels - nagging and moaning, this is typically a women's attitude, as Gefjon said we have enough of that on our own, we don't like to see it in men too.

    All the more so because incels would've been mostly married if they had lived 70 years ago, regardless of whether or not they're superior or inferior, they would've married with someone of the same social class.
    That may be right but 70 years ago they wouldn't have afforded to spend their time in basements, complaining on the Internet. They would have had to provide for their families, a marriage costs money. It's not just incels though, there are many lazy, irresponsible, entitled classes today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gareth Lee Hunter View Post
    I'm both flattered and amazed by the way the numerous younger women, both married and single, my wife and I associate with, find an older man such as myself more desirable than the younger men who attend our social functions.

    Could it be because I treat my wife like a queen?

    Could it be that I exhibit all the appealing qualities women in their twenties and thirties fantasize about these days when younger men only want to play games?

    Could it be that I actually listen to them, rather than pretending to just to get in their pants?

    Could it be that I represent a strong father figure to them?

    Could it be that I possess a history of experience no younger men can possibly compete with, and they instinctively recognize this?

    Could it be that I take such matters as romantic relationships seriously?

    Could it be that I love everything about feminine women, and have no doubts whatsoever about my own sexual identity?


    Inceldom be damned! Thank God I chose to walk the path of a confident, and masculine man.

    Incels need to man-up, stand up, line up, and shut-up. Just take your testosterone supplements and start rubbing elbows with those little darlings you waste so much time bitching about.
    Yep, spot on, pretty much describes why women go for older dudes. Many of today's men are boys, not real men.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Yes, and then these women will find some fault with the guy who does want to marry them and hence they remain single in practice.
    Only if the guy ain't marriage material in that chick's eyes. Remember, women can also say no to marriage.

    But men being the gatekeepers to marriage and saying 'no' pretty much means women have to accept an unmarried life and adapt, settle for less, just like incels have to accept being involuntary celibate. It's an issue in women's mags, is it not? "Where have all the good guys gone?"
    Women's mags should be taken with the pinch of salt, remember many of them are feminist. I personally dunno any woman who settled for less. Like Sol said, she will either get her dream guy to marry her by giving him an ultimatum (being the gatekeepers of sex certainly helps, especially for those men who expect virgins, we can play those games too ) or, if he ain't gonna budge, they will move on to their 2nd or 3rd option. A chick who doesn't enjoy the single life doesn't have to be single. There's still plenty of men out there who wanna marry. Mature dudes in particular are tired of screwing around and may be lookin' to settle down. Chicks who have to deal with incels and MGTOWs will love em, see Gareth's example. We still ain't at that point where there's a shortage of marriageable dudes, and if/when that time comes, women can also "go their own way". Personally, I'd rather see men-women marriages than each sex going their own way, ya know. Cause in the meantime, the muds are breeding like rabbits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Btw, did anyone else notice that incels and MGTOW have gay undertones? Probably has to do with the bro culture and bromance.
    I'm glad someone brought this up, the answer is that many 'internet incels' are gay trolls. Anyone who doesn't think that homosexuals spend time on 'male dominated' sites while fabricating absurd stories about how evil / smelly / nasty women are has never taken the time to actually talk with gays. They constantly bash women. Trust me, I used to live in the 2nd gayest city in America (after San Francisco) and this sort of behavior is quite common amongst them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sól View Post
    I can understand why incels want a hot, tall, blonde model... on the other hand, they shouldn't be surprised that those hot, tall, blonde models are way out of their league.


    Small but important note: this is a common female misconception about men. Very few of us have a preference for tall women. Women are the ones who have a strong preference for tall partners and they tend to project this behavior onto us. Sadly many short (and adorable) women now feel self conscious about their diminutive heights because they believe the runway model claptrap that tall women are sexier.

    The truth is that men care far more about other asspects and the 'tall women are sexier' meme only creates a greater cleavage between women and men.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sól View Post
    In reality, modern women are doing nothing different from what modern men do. We choose our own partners, and afford to be picky. Incels obviously want to change that. If their wet dream became reality, women would be turned into housemaids and sexual slaves. However, incels should have a look at history. Treating women like second class citizens can only work for so long. Even slaves revolt. And now you're reaping the result of that... It's sad when you treat part of your folk as if they were negroes. But be sure they will never accept that kind of treatment.


    Women didn't give themselves rights by 'revolting against men' - they were given rights by male parliaments and male activists (the most influential abolitionist in America was William Lloyd Garrison). This was done for a variety of reasons: religious, economic, and - of course - sexual. The dirty little secret is that many of the men who are the most sexually desirable in the eyes of women are not the type of men that fathers would approve of. Just look at the 50 Shades of Grey or Twilight phenomenon. Or the fact that BDSM is a women's fantasy.

    Now what does a man who knows that women adore him do when he has access to very few women due to social constraints? He changes society. Feminism facilitates female hypergamy and there is a thin slice of men that benefit from that. This is why feminism is so hard to undo. If it was just about harassing cat ladies into submission then the Men's Rights activists would have achieved total victory in 1960 or so. If you want to beat feminism then you need to recruit a critical mass of masculine and desirable men into your movement. Incels & Men's Rights activists have failed to do this because they don't have much to offer these men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    True, however new generations don't likeworking those jobs. Immigrants, especially illegal ones often work the unpleasant, back-breaking jobs that native-born workers are not willing to do. Many of the jobs occupied by undocumented workers in North America are physically demanding jobs that Americans do not want, such as gutting fish or work on farm fields. Epecially if you ask millennial men, many will say they prefer welfare to a physically demanding job. It's sad, considering when people originally came to the Colonies, all they found was empty land. Houses did not build themselves, crops did not grow out of thin air...
    That is the problem of the younger generation they have a sense of entitlement and believe they are above manual labor. The sad fact is I know more than few good decent young men making a good living right now by doing construction work. Of course these young men never sat on their asses and complained about not getting a woman or a job, they pulled their boots and went work.

    There is no defense for these incels nor are there any excuses for them being one. I'm starting to form an opinion that they are as bad or worse than faggots and they should be removed from society. They deserve to not get laid, they deserve to not get a good job, but they do deserve ridicule for not being men, they damn sure don't deserve a wife or children those things are reserved for real men only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    That is the problem of the younger generation they have a sense of entitlement and believe they are above manual labor. The sad fact is I know more than few good decent young men making a good living right now by doing construction work. Of course these young men never sat on their asses and complained about not getting a woman or a job, they pulled their boots and went work.

    There is no defense for these incels nor are there any excuses for them being one. I'm starting to form an opinion that they are as bad or worse than faggots and they should be removed from society. They deserve to not get laid, they deserve to not get a good job, but they do deserve ridicule for not being men, they damn sure don't deserve a wife or children those things are reserved for real men only.
    As a Millennial myself, I could not agree more.

    My generation was told we could have it all, and not told that to have it all required effort. We were deluded by the generation before us, and now we continue to delude ourselves. We’ve taken the delusion to new heights in the face of reality telling us we cannot have it all.

    Men are told that by stint of being male, we can get an amazing job that pays well immediately after leaving education. We were also sold a similar lie by the media about any man attaining a stunning girlfriend. Clearly a lie, as there are so few of my generation acting like men.

    Dont view this as excuses for them, not all of us were stupid enough to fall for it. I hate these incels because they mock the advice that would actually help their situation.

    For all his faults, I hope more boys look into Jordan B. Peterson’s writings. Say what you will about him, but he is trying to instil masculine values back into men, and in this age it must be applauded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtengel
    Just go over to the Afrocity or any other community supersaturated with incels and see what kind of women they're looking for.
    The woman they're looking for or the ones they're fantasizing about? If the latter: that makes forever sense.

    Not saying this isn't the case here or there, but I think incels aiming too high is a narrative of their detractors on social media & new media and not truly legit, unless we are talking about the reoccuring wish to date virgins, that would be aiming too high - although from a man's point of view there's nothing wrong with that. Aiming high is not common amongst TFL/truecel: a guy that lonely knows he's never going to date the cutest girl in his school or anywhere else. Men have low expectations, incels are no exception. It's not the reason why men/incels are single.

    You don't have to convince me of the toxicity of incel hangouts in cyberspace. As for the rape threads incels post: to me that's just laughable, although sometimes painful to read, it hurts the eyes - they're sometimes the product of trolling by r/inceltears (the Reddit group which loves to poke fun at incels by screencapping them) - nonetheless, plenty of them are real enough ... but for single guys, including incels, it's an extreme position. Have you heard of a single instance of incel rape? Not me... it's just talk of lolcows posting ever more outrageous crap and hopefully it stays that way.

    The memes are a bit questionable too: we don't know whether these guys are incels in the first two pictures, they're memes (the guy in the second meme is an incel mascotte, incels imagine him to be their true representative), but Alek M. and E.R. were certainly not ugly, they were mentalcels. Regardless, none of these guys are so ugly that they deserve to be ignored by all women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtengel
    Many incels are ugly but ugly non-incels still get women
    True, and here's 5 euro which says that it has nothing to do with their wonderful personalities and excellent attitude. It's because they're beta providers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nachtengel
    That may be right but 70 years ago they wouldn't have afforded to spend their time in basements, complaining on the Internet. They would have had to provide for their families, a marriage costs money. It's not just incels though, there are many lazy, irresponsible, entitled classes today.
    The nefarious influence of feminism came before the basements, incels are an unforeseen consequence of feminism. And you're right women will never take any interest in them or their issues. Ostensibly incels don't want to spend time in their basement (okay, given their wallowing in their misery that's debatable, not to mention their hobbies and/or autism) however, ultimately their movement is about leaving the basement behind. This incels call 'ascending'.

    Also, look around on Skadi, consider the men: most of them are halfway decent looking and more intellligent than the average Joe, they work/study hard, there are no incels here either, and yet there's no shortage of single male members who do want a relationship and are involuntarily celibate in their own way, the only difference between them and an incel is that they don't complain (as much). I can't fathom why some of the guys here are forever single or how they're to blame for it, not unless they're hermits. Their standards don't seem Bärin-high. Are they too boring because they don't do drugs? Is it because they never committed a robbery? Are they too "nice"? I'm at loss!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    Also, look around on Skadi, consider the men: most of them are halfway decent looking and more intellligent than the average Joe, they work/study hard, there are no incels here either, and yet there's no shortage of single male members who do want a relationship and are involuntarily celibate in their own way, the only difference between them and an incel is that they don't complain (as much). I can't fathom why some of the guys here are forever single or how they're to blame for it, not unless they're hermits. Their standards don't seem Bärin-high. Are they too boring because they don't do drugs? Is it because they never committed a robbery? Are they too "nice"? I'm at loss!
    Are ya kidding me? Each time I log in here there's complaints about the female gender.

    Anyways, I'm pretty sure women here could give ya an answer to that, but some dudes just ain't gonna accept it. I'll give ya a hint tho. As some chicks in this thread already said, we women don't like it when men nag, especially when it's a constant. That's a female trait. We've got enough with our own PMS & dramas, we don't need it from men too. An incel is pretty easy to spot, and they just ain't attractive, sorry. And it's got nothin' to do with doing drugs or being too nice (not that incels fall under the nice category ). My hubby for example is a pretty nice, traditional, laid back guy. He ain't no "bad boy", got no criminal record or any of that stuff. Women don't find that attractive, btw. Maybe some like it for a shag, but certainly not marriage material. Yeah, we do like strong men, but that's cause we want them to protect us and our families. We don't want that violence directed against us, that's deifnitely not attractive. Dudes who constantly go on about how awful women are, not to mention about fantasies about controlling women's sexuality and forcing them to lower their standards are never even going to get laid... not while talking like that. Take a look at the Skadi men who are married or in long-term relationships, none of them talk like that. They know how to treat a woman and in turn they get their meals served, their laundry done and some action in the bedroom. Incels OTOH walk around whining and entitled like spoilt lil brats and want women to lower their standards so that they can get a piece. What does that say about themselves? Think about it. They sound like those folks who want "affirmative action". That's a very unattractive trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Are ya kidding me? Each time I log in here there's complaints about the female gender.
    But rarely any complaints about being single. And these threads are started by women - not that I mind that, nor these threads. Plus, if you don't have a complaint about women in a thread about incels or feminism, you're so blue pill it's gotta be unhealthy or you're a simp/white knight/mangina. Ugh!

    Take a look at the Skadi men who are married or in long-term relationships, none of them talk like that.
    Their second or their third marriage? The only thing that impresses me are men and women in their one and only first and last marriage.

    Anyway, these boys are smart enough to know when to shut up. But I bet if you paid them a beer, their lips would loosen and stories would follow. Let me add this posthaste: except in the case of Thorburn, he has no stories, but he's married to the one woman who is unquestionably a NAWALT and whom I unironically compared to Our Lady on more than one occasion. It's different. She's called to sainthood.

    It's true though that men in relationships (and who are not Thorburn) have their "love goggles" on in general, they just ain't seeing things clearly, they ignore certain aspects of relationships and women in the name of sweet peace. It's true! And some keep on smashing their heads into that same old wall over and over again.
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    "Incel" verses "bad boys"?

    Or is the waitress respectful of the wedding band the first man is clearly sporting?

    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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