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  • I'm against it. That's for marriage only.

    32 20.65%
  • It's OK once the relationship has become serious.

    69 44.52%
  • After a few dates, I think it's acceptable.

    17 10.97%
  • I think it's OK very early in regular dating.

    9 5.81%
  • Casual sex with out committment is OK.

    28 18.06%
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    Post Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Reb
    Interesting. I went to a Catholic school and witnessed a vastly different story.
    Nice point!

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    Post Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanessa
    Why is "casual sex" immoral?

    I've heard the "you give a peice of you to everyone you sleep with" argument, as well as the belief that sex is something special when with two people that care for eachother, but that the act is cheapened by "casual" encounters. That's all good and fine and nice and sweet, BUT:

    What if someone doesn't feel that sex is a special experience in that sense? What if they don't feel like a chunk of their soul is given away to everyone they have sex with? Is this definition of "sexual morality" applied to them as well? Why should it be?

    I think that STDs and the risk of unplanned pregnancy are more of an issue. But this could happen to you even if you have sex with someone you love (more so the latter).

    There is a difference between casual sex and being indiscriminate and opportunistic about it (ie. promiscuous).
    The problem is that having sex oftentimes leads more often to people unable to fit in what we need, what stable families need, what we need for society and children.
    To praise that means to undermine the basis of the occidental society.

    Moral is or at least should be a question of what the societies, collectives, species and ecosystems needs.
    We, the occidentals, Europeans, whites, need stable families and children. What we dont need is a trend to even more hedonism and liberal handling of sexual and other issues.

    I dont really believe in marriage for me (at least not at the moment, even more if I think about what marriage means in the today liberal society, a contract with no advantage in any way for me or collective), but I do believe that stable partnerships are necessary for the future.

    To have to much partners is not good for the character, especially of woman.
    Its something you can agree with or deny, but I say the women which live promiscuitive or have oftentimes casual sex, are sooner or later unable to have a stable partnership and be good mothers.

    I dont see to often that such females change their character radical again in our today society.
    If they would do so, it would be no severe problem, but because of the damage they got from such a life in their youth and maybe even later and experiences the problem is huge.

    Just think about the moral of such a situation if fun and sex is just allowed no matter to what it leads to. (maybe with a Negroe or Idiot too?)
    Is this a life perspective, this hedonistic view, do we need this for our future?

    I would even say that unplanned pregnancy is not such a huge problem like the other things namely that I said above.
    Just think which women avoid unplanned pregnancy mainly?
    The white intelligence!

    About 40-50 percent of the academic women of Hamburg have in the age of 35-40 (!) not even one children!!!
    But they did fuck hedonistic around!

    In the 60s before the "Pillen-Knick" we had no problem of getting intelligent and healthy white children in Europe, we had in fact a "baby boom" but whats now?
    Just the underclass still got children, not to much though...
    I saw the statistics its an obvious thing...

    And who got much more in the majority, statistically? Non-white immigrants and idiots!

    Only more intelligent women with religious or ideological ideals have a little bit more (means 3-4 children which is not that much either) children.

    If there would be still the greater possibility of unplanned pregnancy moral and the women behaviour would be very different today and for sure not worse than it is.
    In fact many things we have to mind today if we want to preserve the rest of our European heritage wouldnt be there if it would be so.
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    Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Reb
    Interesting. I went to a Catholic school and witnessed a vastly different story.
    Well American Catholics aren't exactly the most traditional, unlike the Irish in this case. Hell I won't go to a church unless the priest is actually from another country(either Italy, Ireland, or Poland when talking about Roman Catholic; Slovakia or Ukraine when talking about Byzantine Catholic).

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    Post Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Well American Catholics aren't exactly the most traditional, unlike the Irish in this case. Hell I won't go to a church unless the priest is actually from another country(either Italy, Ireland, or Poland when talking about Roman Catholic; Slovakia or Ukraine when talking about Byzantine Catholic).

    Btw, great avatar! Colonel Klink!
    Thanks, and thanks for the points.

    I've known girls from public schools who were a hell of a lot more chaste than many Catholic schoolgirls. It is all in the upbringing, but being Catholic nowadays doesn't automatically imply a traditional household.

    My Church is quite liberal. Our priest often uses the pulpit to push a moderately socialist political agenda. I was in Southern California recently, and the priest there kept remarking on "all the different varieties and combinations families come in these days". :eyes

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    Post Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Reb
    Thanks, and thanks for the points.
    Anytime!

    I've known girls from public schools who were a hell of a lot more chaste than many Catholic schoolgirls.
    I find this hard to believe. I'm not saying you're a liar, just with my experience with public school girls I'm just having difficulty seeing how that is.

    It is all in the upbringing, but being Catholic nowadays doesn't automatically imply a traditional household.
    Sad but true. Like I said, Catholicism mixed with strong ethnic pride is probally the safest bet; but not always. I've noticed that families that maintained strong ethnic pride and their Catholic(say like Irish or Polish families) were more likely to be traditional than typical suburban American families that basically don't care about ethnicity at all. But with the perversion of American society, it's pratically impossible to maintain ones traditional faith except with extreme measures.

    I'm a traditional Catholic, but my practice is alot of time more liberal. The only time I've been truely traditional in my practice was when I was in Russia, and that because there's more social encouragement of that.

    My Church is quite liberal. Our priest often uses the pulpit to push a moderately socialist political agenda. I was in Southern California recently, and the priest there kept remarking on "all the different varieties and combinations families come in these days". :eyes
    I sympatheize. All the churches in my area are liberal as hell. The only churches that are more traditional are like 30 miles away, and it gets tiresome to try to drive that far every week. Plus the only Byzantine Catholic churches(to which I am) are even farther away. *sigh*

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    Post Re: Pre-marital Sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    I find this hard to believe. I'm not saying you're a liar, just with my experience with public school girls I'm just having difficulty seeing how that is.
    Now don't get me wrong. The average public schoolgirl is a slut nonpareil by grade 10, if not earlier. Hmm, come to think of it, the few I knew who weren't total whores were generally smarter, or a little bit oddball. Catholic girls are no saints either though (at least not the ones hot enough to have guys chase after them).


    I sympatheize. All the churches in my area are liberal as hell. The only churches that are more traditional are like 30 miles away, and it gets tiresome to try to drive that far every week. Plus the only Byzantine Catholic churches(to which I am) are even farther away. *sigh*
    Yeah, sometimes you just have to put up with it. The Polish Church is across town, so I always just go to my local parish, or very occassionally, to our Cathedral downtown. Whereabouts do you live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Reb
    Now don't get me wrong. The average public schoolgirl is a slut nonpareil by grade 10, if not earlier.
    I 120% agree. It's pathetic IMHO!

    Hmm, come to think of it, the few I knew who weren't total whores were generally smarter, or a little bit oddball.
    My experiance has been the smarter they are, the dumber they actually are and the slutter they are. I knew one girl who was somewhat smart, cute, and claimed to be a devout "Christian". So of course I thought this was pretty good and stuff. Of course that was before I find out she was a total slut and seemed to take pride in it. I must say, my last amounts of idealism about women and love flew right out the window at that moment. Now its like any women above the age 16 I know is not a virigin anymore.

    How terrific, I'm 21 and I'm already disillusioned and cynical about love. To me, love has lost pratically all its charm. Even when I do fall in love nowadays, I'm still very much cynical about it.

    Catholic girls are no saints either though (at least not the ones hot enough to have guys chase after them).
    I agree. It's just I've noticed that public school girls are bigger sluts than Catholic school girls. It's just a question of whose the bigger slut? It's just F*CKING ridiculas that we have to go through all this BS just to find a nice decent girl who doesn't open her legs at the first oppurtunity. Geesh, it's like we have to resort back to the chastity belts in order to keep our women pure! Bravo to the sexual revolution! :angry


    Whereabouts do you live?
    I live in the Midwest USA.
    Last edited by Taras Bulba; Sunday, January 11th, 2004 at 04:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Now its like any woman above the age 16 I know is not a virigin anymore.
    No doubt. I'm 21 as well, so I really can't hit on any girl in highschool. Then, if by some miracle a girl manages to make it out of highschool with her womanhood intact, she soon loses it after a month in the university dormitories.

    It's just I've noticed that public school girls are bigger sluts than Catholic school girls. It's just a question of whose the bigger slut?
    What I think it is, is that the public school system is a lot bigger and more anonymous, so there is lots of random sex. Catholic schools are a lot smaller, so there's more splitting up into "couples", who change partners every few weeks. Very incestuous.

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    I can say some things about it but they are difficult to impossible to prove. I speak from experience since I've been from one extreme to another. From 25 to 30 I abstained from sex and it was my most spiritually enlightening period. After 30 I had many partners in a very short time. I could feel the spiritual side of me being destroyed. One just becomes numb or detached from that internal feeling of being alive. I also think that having many casual partners makes it difficult to bond emotionally to one partner and grow together. One becomes dead inside. Man's greatest achievments have come from periods of sexual restraint and enlightenment. Materialism and hedonism is degenerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    I live in the Midwest USA.
    What happened? You love Russia dearly, but you just don't want to live there?

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