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    Nationalists of any stripe cant organize like these people. If they tried they'd be arrested and put in prion so fast their heads would spin.
    One nationalist got over ten years in prison for pepper spraying a pair of niggers muggers.
    Anti-fa break the laws openly and everyone can see that. Thats why anti-fa pisses people off so much.
    The "unmasking anti-fa act" is just another government law to pretend that these people aren't a zionist goon squad.
    They'll make some harsh law against anti-fa and they'll ignore it so they can pretend they aren't openly backing these people.
    Its weimar Germany all over again.

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    The Front National in France had their own security force called the DPS

    The mission of the DPS is providing physical protection of the leaders of National Rally and the monitoring of events or meetings of the party. One feature of DPS compared to other political parties' security services is its quasi-military character, both in the origin of many of its members (former military, police or security guards) and in its equipment consisting of helmets and uniforms similar to those worn by the mobile brigades of law enforcement. There is a fairly strong tradition of red berets (Paratroops) and Green Berets (Foreign Legion).
    I have a whole load of books about Jean-Marie Le Pen & the FN etc., in one of which he's quoted as saying that his opponents "will have to realise that it's very dangerous to attack a Front National meeting"

    In addition to the DPS, the FN could also summon up a few dozen 'hard cases' in most major towns to frighten off any potential troublemakers, just by their presence. In Nimes in 1992 there was a load of red trash assembled (in masks and crash helmets) on the esplanade to disrupt an event but the DPS/local recruits just wiped them out "under the admiring gaze of the riot police", according to reports

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    There is central leadership and funding behind antifa at least in the US, go to youtube and watch as many you can of the videos of fights between antifa and Trump supporters. Notice there are always a few older folks hanging around behind the antifa lines, these are their leaders and they are getting funding someplace, follow the money and it will tell you who and what funds these radicals.
    I don't doubt that there is a lot of outside funding going to certain chapters and individuals of Anti-FA, but there's nothing that indicates there is a central top-down organization going on, which dictates the goals and conduct of the other factions. Anti-FA is not a registered trademark or NGO of any sorts, and anyone who wants to join in on the fun can simply start up a local group with their mates, or join an already existing one. And if someone don't get along with the people in the specific group they've joined, there's nothing stopping them from dividing into a separate group. It's all very fleeting and casual, just like the people who are involved.

    In the video you posted, they clearly say so themselves (5:04); "Anti-FA, just to be clear, is not an organization." ... "Anti-FA as a label does not mean one static organization. But it's definitely an ideology of movement. A stance, if you may, of anti-fascism."

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    Yes, that is exactly what Nationalist want is order and that very fact should be promoted.
    I think we could need a little bit of both. Take Charlottesville, for example. Last year they had a very successful gathering and protest around the memorials, and everything was peaceful and everyone got to make their speeches without being disturbed. Then, the second time around, they made it public information that they were gathering again, and tried to arrange a legal demonstration in the same location within the legal framework. And we all know how that went. I think the very last thing on the mind of any spectator of that shit-show, was 'order'.

    The Alt-Right has actually picked up on that, though, and have done several smaller demonstrations on locations only disclosed to a few, and only lasting a short time before quickly getting out again. And that has proven to be very successful.

    In case I was misunderstood, I did not mean that we should adopt the brainless violence and disgusting conduct of Anti-FA, in any way. Just that we can do well to make use of the same type of decentralized organization in certain situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    Antifa was not near as violent as they were in Berkley or Seattle where they have much stricter gun laws.
    If you have good reasons for that evaluation, I'll take your word for it. But judging solely by the videos available from these protests, it seems a lot more "right-wingers" were injured in Charlottesville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oreiar View Post
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    In the video you posted, they clearly say so themselves (5:04); "Anti-FA, just to be clear, is not an organization." ... "Anti-FA as a label does not mean one static organization. But it's definitely an ideology of movement. A stance, if you may, of anti-fascism."
    The point of the video is to show they are organized, of course they are going to tell new members "they are not organized", yet ever other action says differently. The 1% Bike clubs also claim they are "clubs" and not gangs they do this to avoid Ricco charges.

    If you have good reasons for that evaluation, I'll take your word for it. But judging solely by the videos available from these protests, it seems a lot more "right-wingers" were injured in Charlottesville.


    The guy with the bike lock was actually a college professor, he was behind the lines and did a sneak attack and ran off, he was later identified and charged with assault. He is exactly the type that stands in background and is helping organize these idiots. If you want to see more check out the thousands of videos about the Berkley riots, some are very entertaining.
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    I've read several articles claiming that Antifa members are PAID to protest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    The point of the video is to show they are organized, of course they are going to tell new members "they are not organized", yet ever other action says differently.
    There's a distinction between separate groups organizing together, and groups being part of a strict hierarchical organization.

    What do you see as indications that Anti-FA can be described as the latter?

    EDIT: I mean, why make their operations more complicated and legally susceptible than necessary? There are plenty of braindead college freaks whom are eager to commit violent acts against what they perceive as "fascists". And they don't need money or someone giving them orders to follow through on it. There are probably a select few who do receive money and orders from outside sources, though, and they will typically be the ones who do the most violent and crazy stuff, to force a reaction from their counterparts, just to get the ball rolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godwinson View Post
    I've read several articles claiming that Antifa members are PAID to protest.
    I believe that is fair to assume. You saw that during the presidential election as well, where members and affiliates of the Democratic party were caught on tape admitting to paying anti-Trump protesters to instigate violence at Trump rallies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

    I believe the same mechanism is at play within Anti-FA.
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    I suspect that the 'Unmasking Antifa' initiative will prove to be a purely cosmetic one.

    In Germany last year they shut down a 'left-wing extremist' website that caused quite a shock at the time, but it's only the tip of the iceberg and there are xxx others still operating ...

    Germany, in a First, Shuts Down Left-Wing Extremist Website

    An influential website linked to violence at the Group of 20 summit meeting in Hamburg last month has been ordered to shut down, in the first such move against left-wing extremists in the country, officials in Germany said Friday.

    Thomas de Maizire, the interior minister, said that the unrest in Hamburg, during which more than 20,000 police officers were deployed and more than 400 people arrested or detained, had been stirred up on the website and showed the “serious consequences” of left-wing extremism.

    “The prelude to the G-20 summit in Hamburg was not the only time that violent actions and attacks on infrastructural facilities were mobilized on linksunten.indymedia,” he said, referring to the website.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oreiar View Post
    There's a distinction between separate groups organizing together, and groups being part of a strict hierarchical organization.

    What do you see as indications that Anti-FA can be described as the latter?

    EDIT: I mean, why make their operations more complicated and legally susceptible than necessary? There are plenty of braindead college freaks whom are eager to commit violent acts against what they perceive as "fascists". And they don't need money or someone giving them orders to follow through on it. There are probably a select few who do receive money and orders from outside sources, though, and they will typically be the ones who do the most violent and crazy stuff, to force a reaction from their counterparts, just to get the ball rolling.
    OK, we are getting closer to the organization part.

    In the video I posted about Berkley, the bike lock attacker was a college professor, why is it these antifa in the US are centered around colleges or academia? Just because we don't have known leadership structure does not mean that it does not exist. There are criminal organizations that are not known to the media or authorities, yet I know they exist it is the same thing with antifa. These are not random acts somebody has to sound the alarm to call these people to action. Though it may appear like chaos or random acts everything else points to some sort of leadership structure or organization. They have flags and printed posted with known symbol, that is enough to call them organized at least on some sort of level.
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