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    What makes us European is our diversity.

    What you can see now is that a large proportion of Europeans want their nations back..they can see that other Euro nations want the same, what we all want is a Europe of brother states with their own identities and a common occidental heritage, bonded together -not by some enforced overarching bureaucracy- but by traditional values for mutual protection in an age of collective peril. We don't want a conglomerate morass of Communists, faggots and Arabs ruled by Jewish bankers. Our heritage is not that of a single European country but of many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Englisc View Post
    No. Just No.
    Doch, doch. The alternative is untergang.

    Europe is a continent, not a country.
    Europe is a continent, a (meta-)culture, and a civilization of common values, a schicksalsgemeinschaft (fate community), and its people should be united and not divided.

    It was fun to fight each other, as long as there was nobody on this planet who was a match to us (18th and 19th century), but now it’s time to accept our adulthood, and to defend what is ours.


    That is the biggest reason why the EU does not work and never will. Anything else is utopian thinking that does not correspond to reality.
    It does not work, because people are still stuck in thought patterns of the 18th (liberalism, egalitarianism, democracy) and 19th century (nationalism, marxism).

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    The EU as constituted is not the way. It remains a monster which must be slain. You cannot have all power vested in a bunch of limousine leftists who will not let you into their club unless you think as they do and support all the things they expect you to. And they expect you to support the genocide of the peoples of Europe. That’s what has created the crises we see now.
    It reduces the problem to replacing the elites.

    As to the being overrun part, Switzerland has managed without being large, and having four languages/cultures within one state has been managed by giving the cantons most of the power. Those cantons are divided by religion and language, too, so the identity of the peoples is respected. Switzerland is not the EU. It was conceived in good faith so the various peoples would get along without losing themselves.
    Switzerland was a part of the Holy Roman Empire until 1648, which consisted of dozens, later on hundreds of small region and city states. But essentially, you are right, they did exactly what we should do. Form a grass root movement, unite while respecting the autonomy of regions, create a common citizenship, army, and market, to be strong enough to deter and wealthy enough to guarantee that no other potentially stronger power will allow that we fall into the hand of its enemies. On a small scale Switzerland did, what Europe should do now at large, to guarantee peace and our sovereignty.

    As far as being a power on par with the USA/Russia/China, this was not how Europe developed. China might have been like Europe, but it unified 2000 years ago. It rotted ever after. The greatness of China happened before the unification. It became boring until you had a billion clones in identical grey suits afraid of their government. I'd rather this not be Europe.
    Of course it was not how it developed. The demographic trends are largely a phenomenon of the 20th century. But either we adapt to the times, to reality, and to its challenges, or we will be the game ball of the other global players.

    The Chinese Communist (state-Capitalist) government is as corrupt as the current leadership of Europe. Its decline and fall has already begun, and the same is true in Europe. It would be time that all pro-European forces understand the threats and challenges of our times, and that reactionism will not built a better future. We need to create an active, positive vision, not fall back into bad habits of the 19th and 20th century.

    Traditional concepts of power changed with nuclear weapons. How does Israel survive but by the respect of those who know it has nukes?
    Only by mercy of the United States which finances and protects it. Nukes are, in fact, pretty useless weapons, for they lead to one’s own destruction, too. Conventional attacks have still to be matched by conventional means, if both powers possess nuclear weapons. A much bigger threat in our times is an EMP created by a nuclear explosion in the stratosphere, by the way. It would transport us within minutes into the 19th century, before electricity became widespread. A total collapse of communication and the economy would follow.

    There certainly needs to be some sort of global consciousness, but it should not be empowered. The UN is too powerful as it is, because it was formed to empower the top elites, and those top elites want to mongrelize us and turn us into clones without identity. We can have a brotherhood of nations without doing that.
    That’s what I am talking about. Brotherhood of nations and replacing the elites. Manageable if ‚patriots’ and ’nationalists’ would finally begin to look forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonCeorl View Post
    In a hypothetical world where ethnic Europeans in Europe are uniting to protect their blood, culture, etc., there's no reason they wouldn't also have solidarity with ethnic Europeans elsewhere in the world (Americas, Australia, etc.). Current events show a rising tide of populism amongst our people everywhere, not just in Europe. An ethnically aware America would seek partnership with Europe, not dominance of it.
    Surely, I would be all in favor of a partnership with awakened Europeans elsewhere, but let’s not kid ourselves, Europe’s future can only be secured if we are strong enough to defend our own interests. You can’t realistically expect that America will do it forever, nor should we be at anyone else’s mercy.

    We win and lose together. Decadent multiculturalism is not an American phenomenon, it's a Western phenomenon that we all must fight.
    Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn View Post
    Doch, doch. The alternative is untergang.

    Europe is a continent, a (meta-)culture, and a civilization of common values, a schicksalsgemeinschaft (fate community), and its people should be united and not divided.
    As you know I'm not sure this is true. European Meds are maybe better than us, in ways, but are overall closer to Moslem Mediterraneans in their folkways. Certainly closer to Semitic Maltese and Lebanese.

    This isn't about better or worse only different. Anthropologists recognise a Mediterranean culture area with a specific honour culture. HBD bloggers are defining Western Europe by manorialism and household structure.

    On sites as these "Europe" seems to mean Christendom for those who can't believe in Jesus Christ. On US white power sites its the semi-mythical homeland for mongrelised Europeans. Same logic sees white Anglo-Americans celebrate Columbus Day.

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    I believe there are some very powerful points being made here. Europe is linked by blood, culture and traditions. We should not be forced into a union that is based on some globalist capitalist conception of the future as is the case with the EU model. However, I'm the first to admit I would welcome a unified Europe (including Russia) based on a common understanding of defence, national sovereignty and shared ideals without nationhood being subsumed into some mishmash ruled by grey bureaucrats. The new Europe could come from a group of Nationalist European states, passionate about their individual identity but cognisant of their relationship to each other and the need to form a common northern block against the 'south' and its dangers. Remaining in the EU and trying to 'change it from within' is doomed to failure. The structure is flawed and biased to a particular model of globalist economics and multiculturalism (to put it simplistically). That model needs breaking. There are exciting signs that a new zeitgeist is emerging (the Brexit vote was nothing else than a rejection of the current political class and all it stands for) and if a swing to patriotic groups can be developed in Europe the future is ours to forge.
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    1. Europe has a larger economy than the United States, economics is not the issue. The issue is will.
    2. If Europe wants to be a world power, a military power, on a level with the US or Russia or China, then it should kick the USA out of NATO and start thinking and doing for themselves and stop living under the American thumb.
    3. There is no reason European nations cannot be independent yet form a military alliance.
    4. There is no reason European nations cannot be independent and yet form their own trade agreements, for themselves and between themselves.
    5. There is no reason why individual European nations cannot control their own borders nor is there any reason why together they cannot control and defend the borders of Europe from unwanted invaders/immigration.
    6. There is no reason all European nations need be controlled by a central government in Brussels or anywhere else.

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    I'm sorry but I'm not sure how thrilled we should be about this decision.

    A united Europe is needed for many reasons, most importantly to defend itself in times of war. As Germany saw in World War II, it could not win on multiple fronts and ultimately succumbed almost alone against the world. It's fallacious to think the political climate of today would permit small countries acts of bravado. In this case some EU nations even wanted Britain out, and perhaps it's more advantageous for Europe's competitors now to allow for the EU to ultimately collapse. The truth is, romantic nationalism is outdated, the world is divided between super-powers. The glorious era of the British Empire is over. Unless Britain creates a new empire or an alternative alliance to the EU, should war strike it will stand little chance. Why is the US for example a super-power? Because it's vast enough and its states are large or unique enough to be compared with European countries (Texas for example is 1.95 times the size of Germany). Europe needs something similar to stand a chance. The important thing are border controls at the extremities, and autonomy of European countries just like the states have their own laws.

    I'm not usually a conspiracy theory believer, but this time something doesn't feel right. As I said, the architects of the New World Order could easily have committed fraud if they didn't want a majority leave result. That's something to consider, along with European populist parties like Geert Wilders Freedom Paty of the Austrian party by the same name, whose leaders are supporters of Israel. Maybe this is just feeding the people a scenario they think they want and creating the illusion of victory, so that they can further manipulate decisions in Europe, while keeping the masses under control... It's just a theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frau Holle
    most importantly to defend itself in times of war.
    should war strike it will stand little chance.
    Why would there be a war? The only military threat on the borders of Europe is Russia, even that is really only a threat to Ukraine and possibly the Baltics.

    Even then, we already have NATO, founded before the EU in 1949. Article 5 is there if any European country ever comes under attack.

    In this case some EU nations even wanted Britain out,
    Which ones? None officially supported it.

    The truth is, romantic nationalism is outdated, the world is divided between super-powers.
    Disagree. It's the liberal establishment line that sovereignty and the nation state do not matter anymore. I'd say it's the opposite. Last century you have seen the decline of the superpowers. Many new countries have emerged from the empires and proven it's possible to be small and successful. In Europe, look at Switzerland, Norway or Iceland, all doing very well outside the EU.

    Why is the US for example a super-power? Because it's vast enough and its states are large or unique enough to be compared with European countries (Texas for example is 1.95 times the size of Germany). Europe needs something similar to stand a chance
    The difference between the US and the EU is that America is a nation with a common identity and a shared history. Millions of Americans have fought and died for their country, while no European would volunteer to die for the bureaucratic construct that is the EU.

    A Californian shares a nation with a New Yorker; an Brit does not with an Estonian.

    I'm not usually a conspiracy theory believer, but this time something doesn't feel right. As I said, the architects of the New World Order could easily have committed fraud if they didn't want a majority leave result.
    Usually the establishment do not have to rig any votes, the British people will just deliver the "right" result. This time they shocked everyone by not doing so. Before Thursday almost everyone in the Remain camp was convinced people would swing back to to the "status quo".

    Look at what happened to the financial markets after the first results came in showing Leave doing very well. In the early hours of Friday after the Newcastle result was announced, the pound went off a cliff. That's because the financial sector expected and wanted a Remain vote.

    Have you seen the reaction from the UK establishment, the liberal smart set, and whiny young Remain voters? No way the elite wanted this result.

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    Seems the Lib Dems are going to try running on a return to the EU platform to secure the protest vote from the great unwashed..

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...neral-election

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn View Post

    The individual regions and nation states should keep an extremely high degree of autonomy (as was originally planned in the U.S.), but we need a common constitution, a common bill of rights (and duties), a common army, a common border patrol, a common citizenship, a common market, a common currency, and freedom of movement.
    Yes, but look at what has happened to the autonomy states here in America. They have all been under constant assault since 1865 from a ever larger federal overlord.

    In the US as you may have observed it is becoming harder and harder to deal with the federal monster. With corruption in the central power starting with FDR in 1932 and progressively worse. Now the states individual rights are hanging by a thread. Really, right now because of the last SCOTUS decision it is down to one election.

    Yes, America is strong from a military stance, but that power has been abused globally to the point where we are seen as bullies forcing our will on other nations. The US also has some of the responsibility for the population explosion in Africa. We feed these people and give them aid to the point their population is beyond the carrying capacity of the land they inhabit. This is causing mass migration to Europe.

    Recently in the last 30 years it has become harder and harder to tell which region an American comes from. I'm proud to be a Hoosier, and secondly I'm proud to be from the Midwest. With stronger states rights Americans would be able to keep our regional identities. If Europe comes under too strong of a central power eventually the individual European identities such Germanic would be less noticeable.
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    Grau Hölle

    The EU Leadership are Marxists through and through.

    That is every reason for Britain to vote out.

    Brexit was a protest against Islamic invasion and the people of Britain have every right to say NO to the corrupt f••kers in Brussels.

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