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    People's Vote march: Hundreds of thousands attend London protest


    Young voters led the People's Vote march to London's Parliament Square, which supporters say attracted approximately 700,000 protesters.

    It also had support from a number of MPs who want a fresh vote.

    This is something which has already been ruled out by Prime Minister Theresa May.

    The People's Vote campaign said stewards on the route estimated 700,000 were taking part.

    The Metropolitan Police said it was not able to estimate the size of the crowd.

    Mayor of London Sadiq Khan - who started the march - was among those who addressed Parliament Square, along with representatives from the main political parties. Celebrity speakers included Steve Coogan, Delia Smith and Deborah Meaden.

    The march was held at the same time as a pro-Brexit rally in Harrogate, organised by the group Leave Means Leave and led by former UKIP leader Nigel Farage.

    Mr Farage said: "The evidence suggests about a third of those that voted remain now say we're democrats and think the government should simply get on with it. "And that's our message - get on with it, fulfil your promises to us, you said if we voted to leave it would happen, it needs to."

    Some people marched in groups - there were NHS staff, political parties, members of the LGBT community and dog owners.

    The British public voted to leave the EU by a margin of 51.89% to 48.11% in a referendum in June 2016.

    The UK is scheduled to leave on 29 March 2019, under the terms of the two-year Article 50 process.


    Some 150 coach loads of people from across the UK - including as far away from London as Orkney - travelled to the March for the Future, which started in Park Lane. (Paid for by EU funded organizations by using the Social Cohesion Fund.)


    Campaign supporter Alastair Campbell, former Downing Street director of communications, said: "The Brexit that was promised, and the Brexit that was campaigned successfully for, doesn't exist." He added: "I don't think you can re-run the referendum. I think we have to accept that we lost that debate. I think the question has to be on the nature of the deal."

    Saturday's event followed a march in London in June, on the second anniversary of the Brexit vote.


    And First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon sent a message of support to the rally, saying the SNP would support a vote that would give the option of staying in the EU.

    People's Vote march: Hundreds of thousands attend London ...


    The biased lying BBC report the crowd as 700,000 while other MSM sources report the crowd size as tens of thousands. The national television, which should be fair and honest, is fanatically pro EU and anti-Brexit. And as usual they get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagdmesser View Post
    The biased lying BBC report the crowd as 700,000 while other MSM sources report the crowd size as tens of thousands. The national television, which should be fair and honest, is fanatically pro EU and anti-Brexit. And as usual they get away with it.
    Two things comes to my mind:

    1.) EU just want to make Britain as a warning example (to other possible countries which would like to consider the same). Message: ''This club'' can not be left easily ... and/or cheaply.

    2.) British did't have a clue what they were voting for .... except resigning from EU. But how and with what kind of agreement? Now the negotiation results (with EU) have been called to be too bad. Compared to what?

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    Theresa May Backs Ireland, Blocks UK’s Ability to Unilaterally Leave EU’s Customs Arrangement After Brexit 68


    Theresa May has reportedly backed Irish and European Union (EU) politicians and blocked proposals for the UK to be able to unilaterally leave a “customs arrangement” with the bloc and take back control of trade policy after Brexit.



    Pro-Brexit Tories have been demanding a time limit to the “Irish backstop,” which will keep the entire UK locked in a “customs arrangement” with the European Union (EU) after Brexit, with claims it could make the UK a permanent rule taker from the bloc.

    Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party blocked at the weekend plans without a clear way for the UK to leave the “customs arrangement” and break free of EU courts and rules. The party had previously blocked plans to keep only Northern Ireland in the arrangement and divide the United Kingdom with customs checks — a move critics have claimed would turn Ulster into a ‘protectorate’ of the EU.


    Now, top EU bureaucrats are indicating they are prepared to offer the Prime Minister an “independent mechanism” by which Britain could trigger a “review” on the customs arrangement and move towards ending them.

    The Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab had wanted the UK to be able to pull out of the arrangement unilaterally – but this option was slapped down by Mrs May and David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, leaving Mr Raab “furious,” The Telegraph reports.



    Simon Coveney, the Irish foreign minister, said Monday: “The Irish position remains consistent and [very] clear… that a ‘time-limited backstop’ or a backstop that could be ended by UK unilaterally would never be agreed to by IRE or EU. “These ideas are not backstops at all [and] don’t deliver on previous UK commitments.”


    However, Leo Varadkar, the Irish prime minister, said that Dublin was open to the idea of a “review mechanism” for the backstop that had been put forward by Mrs May in a telephone call.

    UKIP released a statement claiming a “secret” deal had been struck in Brussels and the UK would remain an “associate” member of the EU’s Single Market and Customs Union after Brexit day in March. UKIP leader Gerard Batten said: “If this turns out to be true then it will be a complete betrayal of the referendum result. “Only a complete exit from the EU will deliver the result 17.4 million people voted for. “Only UKIP will continue to campaign for achieving an exit from the EU. UKIP will continue to work to restore Britain’s former status as a fully independent democratic nation state for as long as it takes.”

    THERESA MAY BACKS EUROPE BLOCKS BRITAIN UNILATERALLY LEAVING EU CUSTOMS ARRANGEMENT POST-BREXIT 06 Nov 2018.

    Brexit means: out of the customs arrangement and free of the EU courts and rules. Anything less is a complete betrayal of the referendum result.

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    It Took Six Months To Split Czechoslovakia. Why Should Brexit Take Six Years?


    Two years, four months and a few days ago, on 23rd June 2016, the UK voted to leave the EU. The date of the UK leaving is currently set at 29th March 2019 – almost three years after the vote. It could be postponed further. In the case of a transitional arrangement that could last until at least the end of 2020, possibly even beyond the general election in 2022. That would be an enormous six years after the historic vote.


    EU mandarins as well as Whitehall mandarins will tell you it must be this way because the relationship the UK has with the EU is too complex to untangle sooner.


    However, history offers a different angle. World War I lasted four years, World War II lasted six. Perhaps it’s easier to conquer and then lose an entire continent than to separate two jurisdictions peacefully?


    Instead, look at Czechoslovakia, the country where I was born, but a country I never think of as my birthplace. That is because before I even went to school, it had not only transformed from a socialist republic and a Soviet satellite to a liberal democracy, but it also split into two nations. All I have ever known, therefore, has been the Czech Republic. All the turbulent history – Václav Havel elected President, the Velvet Revolution, the first free election, the beginning of economic transformation, Václav Klaus elected Prime Minister, the Velvet Divorce – happened within the first six years of my life.


    The curious thing about this is the Velvet Divorce. Let me just briefly remind you of the timeline: the pivotal elections that took place on 5th and 6th June 1992 saw Václav Klaus’s party in the Czech Republic and Vladimír Mečiar’s party in Slovakia both take the lion’s share of the vote in their respective state parliaments and the federal parliament (Czechoslovakia had already been a federation for over 20 years at this point).


    Tensions erupted quickly. The Czech PM Václav Klaus met the Slovak PM Vladimír Mečiar in Brno on 8th July and they agreed to split up the federation. The agreement was signed on 26th August and Václav Havel resigned his seat in the meantime (20th July). By 13th November, a law had been enacted as to how the federal assets were going to be divvied up and twelve days later, an act was passed that set the dissolution date at 31st December. Complex matters such as the continuity of the Czech Parliament, continuity of laws, arrangements for courts and so on were all swiftly determined by December. A new Czech Constitution was passed on 16th December.


    Czechoslovakia was dissolved at midnight on New Year’s Eve. When the people woke up the next morning, they had new nationalities and the Czech Parliament re-elected Václav Havel as President on 26th January 1993.

    Within a mere six months, a comprehensive settlement had been agreed and activated. Immobile assets were distributed to the country where they sat, mobile assets and assets abroad were distributed according to the rough population ratio 2:1. Amendments to international treaties signed by Czechoslovakia were negotiated and signed very quickly by both new republics, confirming the continuation of such treaties. In 1996, the two countries signed a protocol specifying the distribution of duties enshrined by treaties signed as Czechoslovakia. All of this happened whilst Czechoslovakia and its constituent countries were undergoing a massive economic transformation.


    Czechoslovakia was privatising on an unprecedented scale and at an unprecedented pace. In a way, it was like Brexit and the UK’s 1980s privatisations combined, only a lot more complicated. Whereas the 1980s UK privatised two companies a year, the early 1990s Czechoslovakia privatised two companies an hour. Taken together, these companies’ accounting value was a big share of GDP. The voucher privatisation alone (there were other methods of privatisation) privatised companies worth one third of Czechoslovak GDP. All of this was taking place at the exact same time the republics were being separated.


    Let us not forget the fact that Czechoslovakia was also a currency union. The original idea was that the currency would continue after the separation, but the Czechoslovak koruna outlived Czechoslovakia by a mere six weeks.

    Where there is a will, there is a way. Two things made this possible: Klaus’s insistence that it must happen fast, before organised business interests as well as government could mount a successful defence of the status quo. Then the fact that the two newly-created governments, for all the tension between them, worked together to apply current or previous arrangements in good faith. Wherever questions or differences arose, they sought an amicable solution where none of the parties would score a win for their side but rather one where future cooperation could be maintained.

    Nobody was proposing divorce bills or ridiculous notions of planes not flying, trucks stuck at the border, licences not being recognised, or one country continuing to have jurisdiction over the other for the next 100 years. Time, and good faith, were of the essence.


    If Czechs and Slovaks were able to separate an entire country in six months, surely Whitehall and the Berlaymont can find a way to extract one member state sooner than in six years.




    The Brits are, in my view, arguably the worst Europeans. Nowadays the UK is become a rigidly thought-conforming, alien-criminals-running-amok state, wherein "hate speech laws" silence the poor British people whose beautiful country has been transformed against their will almost overnight. They are crucified if they murmur the least complaint about the hostile alien hordes who eat up their sustenance and whom they will be supporting financially for the rest of their now-physically-endangered lives. The UK desperately needs a revolution, and to dispatch their traitorous elites --- who are badly wanted in Hell!--- but they are so degraded and incompetent a people, unlike their forbears a century ago, that I doubt they will summon the will, strength or organizational ability to pull it off. Emigration has been the preferred route of dealing with British domestic dismay. But as they are now defenseless; sabotage is about the only weapon possible, it seems to me. I doubt the Brits have the intelligence to get out of the EU, even though their best instincts are to get out of it. For decades they didn't even want to go into the EU! Now they seem unable to exit. What a bunch of losers! I believe other Europeans don't think much of them either. The Germans call them "island monkeys."

    Zero Hedge, 06 Nov 2018.
    Most people don’t have a clue what the ‘City’ is. The City of London bankers own the UK state, besides a lot more. Fudge May only does what she’s told. That’s why a real Brexit can’t or won’t happen.

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    British Political Class ‘Colluding’ with Euro Politicians ‘Against Democracy’ After Email Leak 153 Warns Farage


    Brexit campaign leader Nigel Farage has warned that the British political class are “colluding” with their European counterparts to thwart Brexit after an email leak.


    The LBC host and former UKIP chief is still a working Member of the European Parliament (MEP), and was able to reveal an email from colleague Alyn Smyth — of the anti-Brexit, left-wing, Scottish ‘nationalist’ SNP — sent to every politician in the 751-strong European Parliament, urging them to help EU loyalists in Britain delay and ultimately defeat Brexit.

    “Despite our political differences, as UK MEPs we are united around one fact: if you wish to allow the UK to remain within our EU family, then all ways to do so will necessitate an extension of the Article 50 timetable,” Smith wrote. “Whilst we acknowledge that many details of the next few months remain unclear, it is in a spirit of friendship, solidarity and respect that we ask you, our European friends, to start thinking about this possibility and be ready for this eventuality.”


    The activation of Article 50 — the EU-mandated mechanism for leaving the bloc — set in train a two-year negotiation period before Britain’s exit, and cannot be extended without the agreement of British and EU institutions.

    Farage further revealed that Hans-Olaf Henkel, an influential German MEP and former head of the Federation of German Industry, had taken up Smyth’s call enthusiastically, replying: “I support everything which would avoid a Brexit, including anything which could delay it. Let me advise you that I have talked to both [European Commission] President [Jean-Claude] Juncker and to [Austrian] Chancellor [Sebastian] Kurz about our initiative.”

    Denouncing the plot in a column for The Telegraph, Farage declared that Smyth “and the 13 British MEPs who showed utter contempt for their own people in signing his letter, are conspiring with the Germans to make sure Britain cannot become competitive after Brexit.”

    “I think their intention is to derail Article 50. I call that a collusion against democracy. And I believe they should all hang their heads in shame,”
    he concluded.
    List of letter signatories in full:


    • Alyn Smyth MEP (Scottish National Party)
    • Catherine Bearder MEP (Liberal Democrats)
    • Seb Dance MEP (Labour)
    • Jill Evans MEP (Plaid Cymru)
    • John Howarth MEP (Labour)
    • Wajid Khan MEP (Labour)
    • Jude Kirton-Darling MEP (Labour)
    • Jean Lambert MEP (Green Party)
    • Clare Moody MEP (Labour)
    • Molly Scott-Cato MEP (Green Party)
    • Catherine Stihler MEP (Labour)
    • Charles Tannock MEP (Conservative Party)
    • Derek Vaughan MEP (Labour)
    • Julie Ward MEP (Labour)


    Farage Warns British Political Class ‘Colluding’ with Euro Politicians ‘Against Democracy’ After Email Leak 08 Nov 2018.


    "Better shun the bait than struggle in the snare." John Dryden, (1631-1700) English Poet.

    "Give me again my hollow tree, a crust of bread and liberty!" Alexander Pope, (1688-1744) English poet.

    Email exposes British Political Class Colluding ’with Euro Politicians‘ Against Democracy – it’s always been like this. Politicians care only about keeping their jobs, never about doing what they are paid to do. They, of all, are the ones that least believe in democracy. Every single politician and every single person with influence is a traitor. Traitors who, at the moment, are above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagdmesser View Post
    It Took Six Months To Split Chechoslaviak. Why Should Brexit Take Six Years?

    Most people don’t have a clue what the ‘City’ is. The City of London bankers own the UK state, besides a lot more. Fudge May only does what she’s told. That’s why a real Brexit can’t or won’t happen.
    Exactly. Just because Chechoslovakia was basically "meaningless".

    UK is not "meaningless"... and greatly so because of themselves. UK has benefited a lot as being a bank/business head of Europe (incl. .... benefited via other Europeans). I guess now it is tiny payback time for that "luxury position"...

    Sorry, I can not feel sad for them ... because of these long lasting hard negotiations with EU.

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    The European Union is demanding it retain control of Britain’s ravaged fisheries as the price of approving Theresa May’s plan to keep the country in the EU Customs Union, according to reports.


    The Prime Minister’s proposals for Britain to duplicate EU rules and regulations through a ‘common rulebook’ managed by EU judges and to remain within the bloc’s Customs Union — effectively preventing the country from re-establishing an independent trade policy — were originally seen as heavy concessions, but there is now a sense in Westminster that entering into such an arrangement would be some sort of victory, as Brussels has been resisting it.

    The whole scheme is seen as necessary in order to maintain the supposedly all-important customs-free border between the Republic of Ireland and the British province of Northern Ireland after Brexit.

    Eurocrats have been demanding that Northern Ireland alone be kept within their Customs Union and Single Market — economically annexing the Province and erecting an economic barrier between the United Kingdom’s Home Nations — with Theresa May’s offer to keep the entire country in the Customs Union as an alternative falling on deaf ears.


    It is now understood that Brussels may be willing to accept May’s Brexit in name only deal — provided she agree that Britain will continue to surrender its fishing waters to EU fishermen, who currently claim more than half of the island nation’s stocks, with disastrous effects for British industry.

    “If Mrs May and her sycophantic Cabinet and MPs cave into this demand then they will be slaughtered in constituencies nationwide,” warned Fishing for Leave, the exasperated grassroots fishermen’s campaign which organised the (in)famous Battle of the Thames protest during the 2016 referendum. “Given her current supine performance to date we see nothing to suggest she and her government won’t,” they added. “The EU is now ‘cherry picking’… it is how weak the government has been that has encouraged the EU to think they can rub Britain’s nose in the mud over this totemic issue,” the group complained.


    Not even Norway and Iceland, the two coastal members of the European Economic Area (EEA), are expected to give up their fisheries as the price of free trade with the European Union.
    Nor have similar demands been made of Turkey, which is incorporated into the bloc’s Customs Union with respect to industrial goods.
    “[Theresa May] has another thing coming if she thinks British fishermen and coastal communities are going to lie down to a second sell-out that will finish most of us,” Fishing for Leave added. “Norway, Iceland, Faroe [and] Greenland export vast amounts of seafood to the EU. Does the EU demand and do they cave to surrendering their natural resource for market access? NO. “No other nation on earth gives up fisheries access and resources for markets… looks like the Conservatives are about to make Britain the first.”

    The fishing revelations come as Northern Ireland’s Brexit-supporting Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), on which Theresa May’s minority government relies for a parliamentary majority, says they are concerned the Prime Minister intends to renege on her promise that she will not sign off any deal which could risk a customs border between Ulster and Great Britain “in the Irish Sea”.
    A leaked letter from the Tory leader to DUP leaders indicates that, even if her whole-UK plan for continued Customs Union membership is agreed as a ‘backstop’ solution to the Irish border issue, the EU is still pushing for a so-called ‘backstop to the backstop’ which would keep the Province under its sway alone if talks between the UK and EU collapse.


    Mrs May tells the DUP she would never allow such an agreement to “come into force” — but this has been interpreted as meaning she will agree to it in principle. “The PM’s letter raises alarm bells for those who value the integrity of our precious union and for those who want a proper Brexit from the whole UK,” warned DUP leader Arlene Foster. “From her letter it appears the PM is wedded to the idea of a border down the Irish Sea with [Northern Ireland] in the EU [Single Market] regulatory regime.”


    Theresa May Poised to Betray Fishermen and Northern Ireland as EU Piles on Brexit Demands 09 Nov 2018.

    EU is simply having a laugh. Are we fool enough to go along with them and their 'wish list' even if it is near Christmas? Get real.

    From Independence Day 23 June 2016 I have said ‘No Deal is the best option.’ WTO rules and international protocol.

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    https://www.politico.eu/article/brex...r-immigration/

    "Imagine, for a moment, a long transition deal that retains the nuts and bolts of Britain’s current EU membership, followed by a slightly watered down settlement that sees the U.K. adopting a liberal immigration regime in return for access to specific areas of the single market. A majority of the British electorate would see it as one that prioritized economics over identity, or London over the nation.

    We shouldn’t expect voters to shrug their shoulders if they feel let down by the government yet again. It’s far more likely they will mobilize and move into an even more radical political home that makes Nigel Farage and UKIP look like a fairly quirky brand of old school British conservatism."

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    Farage: This is the Worst Deal in History Because The People Who Oppose Brexit Are Still in Charge


    The betrayal of the greatest democratic exercise in British history is now complete with the UK moving to subject itself to taxation without representation and a Brexit in name only, Nigel Farage told Breitbart radio in his damning assessment of Theresa May’s proposed deal with the European Union.



    Brexit leader Mr Farage gave his rundown on Theresa May’s deal with the European Union to Breitbart News Daily host Alex Marlow on Wednesday, when he said he was “absolutely incensed” over the news. Pressed to give his analysis of the situation, Mr Farage told the programme: “…this is awful! We have agreed to give the European Union something between 40 to 60 billion sterling ($50-75 billion).


    “We have agreed with the European Union for the next few years to stay part of a customs union, which means all the rules and regulations that affect every aspect of industry and business will be the ones that are made by Europe — both the old ones and the new ones that are coming in. We have agreed that during that period we will have no say over those rules whatsoever, even if they introduce [new rules] that [are] very disadvantageous to British industry.

    “Written into the small print, is an agreement that during this next phase when we negotiate a further trade deal, we will have to stay in regulatory alignment with EU law until 2030…. this should work with an American audience, this is taxation without representation!

    “Let’s go back to the Boston tea party if you like. It will mean a continuance for the foreseeable future of open borders, we will not be taking back our fishing rights, we will not be able to negotiate trade deals with the U.S.A, it is Brexit in name only. ”

    Mr Farage explained that Britain would be withdrawing from the treaty that makes it an official member of the EU in March 2019; under May’s plan this withdrawal would be immediately followed by entering a new treaty which would hold a wide variety of powers over the United Kingdom, which would leave the nation unable to command its own destiny.

    He said: “[May’s deal] keeps us wrapped inside this straightjacket which means we’re not making our own laws, we’re not able to conduct trade deals with the U.S.A. or elsewhere, and we’re not able to take any competitive advantage.

    “And I nearly forgot! Open borders and free movement will continue as well, we won’t get back the right to catch our own fish in our own waters. I’ve been warning for some time that the great Brexit betrayal had begun, but I can now say this morning that it is complete… It is the worst deal in history.”

    Illustrating how Brexit came from a giant exercise in democracy — a national referendum for the people of the United Kingdom to choose their own future either inside or out of the European Union — to this betrayal which would see the spirit of that vote ignored, Mr Farage explained: “Here’s the truth — two-thirds of the British cabinet voted remain and still believe in remain. That’s the point.

    “Brexit was a victory of the little people… the trouble is the day after the referendum, the very people I’d fought against for 25 years were still in charge and that’s why we’ve got what we’ve got… it is a pretty bleak day.”

    Reflecting on the future direction of travel of both populists and globalists in the ongoing struggle to shape the future of the Western world, Mr Farage concluded: “What has happened with Brexit, Trump, and the Italian government is the European Union — the epicentre of the globalist project — in panic, they are going full pelt for a European army, a unified state, and eradication of nation-states and democracy. The battle is really on.”

    The exact details of the “technical level” Brexit agreement struck by Theresa May has not yet been made officially public, but elements have been leaked to the Irish press before the PM was even able to show it to her own cabinet. Ulster MP, frequent collaborator with Mr Farage, and Brexiteer Sammy Wilson said Tuesday night the fact the news leaked too soon to the Irish press showed the “contempt” the EU negotiators hold Britain’s Prime Minister in.


    Theresa May’s cabinet met at 1400 GMT Wednesday, and the outcome of that meeting is expected later in the afternoon.


    Listen — Farage: This is the Worst Deal in History Because The People Who Oppose Brexit Are Still in Charge 14 Nov 2018.


    BrINO / Brexit In Name Only.

    A ‘No Deal’ is the only and best option.

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    "Brexit" - or how being governed by a clique of English pedophiles and City Jews at the British governmental level gives you so much more FREEDOM than being governed by an even panel of British, Dutch, Swedes and Germans at the EU level

    Also, Enoch Powell clearly warned you against the EU in his 1968 'Rivers of Blood' speech


    “I am firmly convinced that just as today we smile when we look back at the parochial quarrels that divided the German peoples in the 40s and 50s of the last century, so in fifty years’ time future generations will be no less amused at the political disputes that are now going now on in Europe. The ‘dramatic national conflicts’ of many small European states will seem to them no more than family quarrels. I am convinced that in fifty years people will no longer think in terms of countries – may of today’s problems will have faded into obscurity, and there will be little left of them. In those days people will think in terms of continents, and European minds will be filled and swayed by quite different, perhaps much greater problems.” - Josef Goebbels, 1940

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