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    Worst campaign ad of all time? A contender surely, from BSE


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    How hip..how edgy..how street..I thought it was an advert for some urban street dance troupe on BBC3... you'd never guess the demographic that load of twaddle was aimed at...

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    Got-a be stayin' wif the EU, bruv.

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    Latest polls:

    Survation phone
    Remain 44
    Leave 38

    YouGov online
    Remain 41
    Leave 41

    ICM online
    Remain 45
    Leave 45

    ORB, phone
    Remain 55
    Leave 42

    Continuing phone-online divide...

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    Crucial point for Leave: Being in the EU is not the status quo.

    Now that purdah is in force, and therefore the civil service and our taxes can no longer be used to produce and promote pro-EU messages, I suspect we’ll see the air war fought in the press become a bit more of an equal struggle. Right on cue, the front page of today’s Times reveals that the EU Commission has been trying to keep secret its plans for the establishment of an EU army until after the referendum.

    Of course, Brussels denies that its proposals amount to such a plan, though notably Eurobarometer, its own opinion polling outfit, asks people whether they support or oppose “the creation of an EU army”. The plan revealed by the newspaper is a handy reminder that it’s normally better to study what the EU Commission is doing rather than what it says it is doing.

    The story is a significant revelation, on several counts.

    First, the idea of such an army is opposed by an outright majority of British voters (even in the Eurobarometer), so could sway some in the referendum on its merits alone.

    Second, it conclusively answers Nick Clegg’s declaration that concerns about Brussels’ military ambitions are “a dangerous fantasy” - in short, he was either being ignorant or deceptive (my Twitter followers voted 77 per cent for deceptive, but who knows?).

    Third, and most important, it is a reminder that a vote to remain in the EU is not a vote for the status quo, it is a vote to join the organisation on its journey towards further integration. The status quo is not on offer in this referendum – it’s a choice of either ruling ourselves democratically or the road to an ever more powerful, ever more expensive Brussels.

    On that point, it’s important to note that the proposal for an EU army is just the tip of the integrationist iceberg. The Five Presidents’ Report has made clear the EU institutions plan further sacrifice of sovereignty on a grand scale – and that’s just what they’ve dared to publish. In private, the Commission is cooking up many more plans for new powers and new interventions in whole range of areas, but is deliberately keeping t them secret until the referendum is over. The following paragraph from the Times report applies not just to these military proposals but to many other policies:

    “To prevent the policy paper leaking and derailing David Cameron’s campaign to keep Britain in the EU, the plans will not be sent to national governments until the day after Britons vote.”

    So while pro-EU campaigners talk of the risks of leaving, voters should also be aware that there are plenty of risks involved in remain a member of the EU – one can judge the likely scale of those risks by the fact that Brussels doesn’t want us to find out about them until after we have voted.
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thet...to-remain.html

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    Good betting odds currently for Leave, £5 return for a quid. Odds are based on polls, which like the GE, are wrong, because I've never met a Remanian.

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    I think the most annoying thing I have found about this whole charade are the sheer amount of people who think it is OK that people are even entitled to have an opinion and vote on remaining in the EU in the silly idea of fairness. Herp.. Derp.. Dumbocracy.. no it isn't OK that folk think or have the ability to act on that, it's High Treason and you should be hung, drawn and quartered for advocating and acting in an attempt to force the surrendering of Sovereignty. Alas vast swathes of modern people have no honour, pride or integrity of any sort and would gladly sell those that have a modicum of belonging, morality and traditional values into thralldom for the promise of a few extra quid.

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    Good betting odds currently for Leave, £5 return for a quid. Odds are based on polls, which like the GE, are wrong, because I've never met a Remanian.
    Uh oh... that could mean a rigged vote coming. If the polls are faked, the voting will be, too. Why fake the polls? To fake out the people. Sure, there are quite a few of these commie dweezils who would vote to remain, but probably a lot more who want out. The trick is to get those people who want out to feel like they are a rarity... that they are the weird ones. In America the media gets empty headed women to worship celebrities and empty headed men to worship sports stars, then they co-opt the celebs and athletes to promote their agenda. If people suspect their conservative views are in the minority, as they keep telling us, they will not be surprised when the vote turns out the way the "elites" want it to.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Other than the most Germanic areas on the East Coast seeming to prefer Brexit, this map seems incongruous. Why would Cornwall be so strongly for leaving and Devonshire have equally strong leanings the other way? Same in the Highlands of Scotland.. It's just strange.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    I can understand mid-Wales in that it is all farms..and farmers get an absolute ton of cash from the EU. Likewise areas with high levels of government employment will also vote in as they fear for their jobs and will always vote for more bureaucracy as with areas with owners of places with alot of low-level production they want a 350 million person labour market..that Porsche wont buy itself after all.

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