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    Post Civilisation, by Varg Vikernes

    I want to share an Essay by Varg Qisling Búri Larssøn Vikernes
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    Negative, destructive, anti-development, unrealistic and Utopian: I have heard it all. Yes I am negative to the modern civilisation, yes I applaud the destruction of the modern civilisation, yes I seek the end of the "development" of this modern civilisation, yes I know it is unrealistic to believe in a New World and yes I know that what we want to replace the old with can seem Utopian to most people.

    I have to be negative to a "civilisation" which rapes Mother Earth and murders our human races, which tortures animals and destroys everything that is good, pure, natural, healthy and clean. To even think about developing this sick, degenerate, anti-nature, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist pig "civilisation" is out of the question. It has to go, it has to be levelled to the ground so that we can build something new.

    There are perhaps not many people in our world who see things like this, making all of this very unrealistic. However, I do not talk about destroying every building in the modern world, levelling every city to the ground or about executing everybody who has ever co-operated with the modern world order. I do talk about physical destruction and removing the worst traitors, but what we really try to do is to level the ethical system to the ground. What we seek is a total destruction of the moral codes and the mentality of the modern "civilisation", and that is of those who are not in accordance with our moral codes and our mentality.

    It would be unrealistic if we tried to enlighten masses simultaneously, but we don't. It might look like we do, but in fact we don't. Why would I waste any time on a generation that is utterly brainwashed by this rotten Capitalist pig-society, when I can concentrate on the coming generations; still open-minded and willing to think for themselves - unlike our parents and their parents? The youth and the coming generations are not weak, like we are told by our parents. As an answer to why we try to enlighten youth and only youth they say "your message is so weak only weak people will accept it". Forgotten is their own baptism of infants - as if infants are any "stronger" than youth. I wonder how they even dare accuse us of trying to manipulate defenceless and weak people when they start their brainwashing of the citizens before they even have a name!

    It is not unrealistic that we might succeed in enlightening a vast amount of youth. When they grown up and take the places of their parents the situation will be very different from now, and then the revolution is not all that unrealistic after all. Spiritual revolution, cultural revolution, technological revolution, scientific revolution, racial revolution, environmental revolution, intellectual revolution, religious revolution; in short, revolution!

    Finally I will discuss the last complaint against our "Utopian" world order. At one side we want to more or less return to the life-style of the Middle-Ages, and on the other side we want to colonise the universe. So how on Earth can you combine these goals? Utopian, isn't it?

    In fact it is not. Naturally not all of us can live like we did in the Middle-Ages, nor shall we all colonise the universe. If you think about it the amount of electricity needed to keep scientific research centers and some factories going is not that much. In mountainous regions, like in Norway, this power can be taken from rivers - like we already do today. Minimum pollution, maximum effect. We do not need power plants all over Europe, because we do not need electricity all over Europe. We only need it for some research centers and factories. Not for factories producing clothes, boots, fishing and hunting equipment or the like; that is all done by local craftsmen. Nor do we need factories producing cars, tractors and aeroplanes by the thousands. People can talk, ride horses, ride bikes or carts. Ordinary people do not need anything else. The masses need to live in harmony with nature, or else we will all perish - destroy our planet.

    Only technology needed for science is necessary - and in fact tolerable. Only the elite of our tribes shall be allowed to work with this technology. The rest shall live like they did in the "primitive" past. The few factories and mines, research centers and power plants, are necessary, and they do not produce more pollution than we have to tolerate.

    Why do we need this technology? Why do we not just all live 100% in harmony with nature? The reason is simply because at a certain point we will need to leave our planet, in search of another one - because of lack of natural resources and most important the dying sun. Besides, we have a mission in life, as a species, and to complete this mission we need technology.

    Our Utopia can best be described as a Fantasy world, where the elite live like elves far away from the others with their "magic" (technology), while the rest live like they did in the Middle-Ages, only with cloaks and some other (mostly natural) sciences. In fact our Utopia is not only a dream of the future, but a memory from the past! Writers like Tolkien actually never "made up" anything, they just wrote stories based on memories from the past (memories from the blood)! Not necessarily from our world, our planet, but from the last planet we lived on (in the system of Sirius), when we were Gods.

    In this Utopia several new races will be bred, from Dwarves (for mining) to dragons and trolls (to keep the ordinary man in awe for nature and to keep him away from the elves' technological facilities in the forests and mountains). Whenever heroes or heroines from the ordinary human society show proof of extraordinary courage and intellect their children will be kidnapped and raised amongst the "elves", so that the elite of humankind can be concentrated and breed in a few places. With time the "elves" will return to the stars, build their facilities on the Moon and other beings in space, where they do not pollute the planet Earth. From there they will control the masses like Gods, prevent humans from destroying nature, from losing their respect for nature, etc.

    This is our future civilisation and I hope it will not sound too "far out" to You. Cruelty and war, famine and plague will not cease to exist, but if You think about it You can agree that this is not something negative. We need all of this to survive, to improve ourselves (our genetic material) and to find out who are the best amongst us, in moral strength and courage - and in blood!


    Important: Varg would like to make clear that these are entirely his own theories, and have nothing to do with the AHF (Heathen Front) or any related political organisation



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    Zhe first part of that Essay I can follow. the rest seems a bit.... "strange". Breeding Dwarfes and Dragons......... oh please!

    A Revolution which takes things away from ppl. can not prevaile. Instead of taking cars away from the masses, OUR scientists should free themselves of the plutocratic influance and develope a technology that is friendly to the enviorment. (which is possible).

    I sure wouldnt like if someone came along and took away my computer, car, coffee-machine, microwave, CD-Player and TV and replaced it with a weaving machine so I can start weaving my own clothes.

    Technic in itself is neither good or bad. Its the people who handle it, which decide in which direction it should go.

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    that is why his talking about elitisms, only a few worthy candidates should flirt around with fatal evolutionary technology accomplishments and creations from The primate race,

    his talk about dwarfs and ect.....is metaphorical, He maybe read to much Tolkien, I agree. but nevertheless his philosophical setting, I can total embrace...he thinks like a true Nordic. fed up with this artificial world, thus yearning for the past.

    THE PAST IS ALIVE

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    I found that essay fascinating. I like the idea of allowing the Elite, whom he calls Elves, to control Scientific Research Centers and monitor the Technological Advancement of mankind. I believe in a system of Meritocracy where the Elite are allowed greater benefits, but also more duties, based on their personal advancements.

    Although I fing the idea of the non-Elite to live in a sort of unelectrical age, whom he refers to as Middle Ages, I find it unacceptable to remove the Electricity which is nowadays an essential utility to all from the non-Elite. What should be done would be to rely on Environmentally-friendly power-generationg plants and a greater sense of Environmentalism in the Nations of the world, the creation of non-polluting production methods, the reliance on efficient and environmentally-friendly public transport systems instead of private transport which is out of the use of fossil fuels polluting, plus also a greater level of enforcement, legislation, and punishment of polluting individuals and organisations.

    What does Varg mean by kidnapping the children of ordinary men by the elite to raise them amongst the elite? Does he actually mean the forced taking of gifted children from their parents? If he does I absolutely disagree with that. On the other hand schools for exceptionally-gifted children should be segregated depending on individual intelligence, that is, the gifted should be allowed to develop their gift in appropriate institutions.

    Does Varg envisage some sort of Eugenics and/or Genomics program?

    Varg mentions that we lived in Sirius and that we were Gods, what is he referring to, is that some Norse Myth?

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    Originally posted by Nazzjonalista
    I found that essay fascinating. I like the idea of allowing the Elite, whom he calls Elves, to control Scientific Research Centers and monitor the Technological Advancement of mankind. I believe in a system of Meritocracy where the Elite are allowed greater benefits, but also more duties, based on their personal advancements.
    I dont know if he calls the elite elves but? yea you got the meritocracy point alright

    I also believe in meritocracy. Its the only way to create a better world, but we still need to be selective, even among the elite,

    For example is it admirable of Einstein (considered to be among elite) to help creating the Nuclear bomb? No I dont fucking think so.

    Although I fing the idea of the non-Elite to live in a sort of unelectrical age, whom he refers to as Middle Ages, I find it unacceptable to remove the Electricity which is nowadays an essential utility to all from the non-Elite. What should be done would be to rely on Environmentally-friendly power-generationg plants and a greater sense of Environmentalism in the Nations of the world, the creation of non-polluting production methods, the reliance on efficient and environmentally-friendly public transport systems instead of private transport which is out of the use of fossil fuels polluting, plus also a greater level of enforcement, legislation, and punishment of polluting individuals and organisations.
    I dont agree at all, you are spoiled, grow up, maybe Wehr agrees with you, you all live in to much modernism. Im made of flesh and bone, I dont know about you?, im not a fucking machine im a creature on two legs, consisting of oppositional elements.

    but as evolution and technology is hard to make stagnant, then I suggest elitism as dominating way of restricting useless amoral technology anarchy.

    What does Varg mean by kidnapping the children of ordinary men by the elite to raise them amongst the elite? Does he actually mean the forced taking of gifted children from their parents? If he does I absolutely disagree with that. On the other hand schools for exceptionally-gifted children should be segregated depending on individual intelligence, that is, the gifted should be allowed to develop their gift in appropriate institutions.
    Hmm this sounds like gibberish, Want his address in jail? so you can write him?

    Im not Varg I dont know any thought, which stroke his mind, alot of times his speaking metaphorical as well,

    about the school system, I dont like it, a child get good manners. by living among both weak and strong to know their own place. a child put in a special school, well what can I say, the thought dont appeal to me, maybe its because I remember those nerds from childhood it happened too.

    Does Varg envisage some sort of Eugenics and/or Genomics program?
    I only read a pretty shallow program he made for blue eyes when he was around 23 years old.

    I think he approach this whole Racial scenery more open,
    like Norway for Norwegians and Holland for Dutch people and Iran for Iranian people and Africa for African people. but who knows? I got all his books, maybe he write a new one soon surprising me.

    Varg mentions that we lived in Sirius and that we were Gods, what is he referring to, is that some Norse Myth?
    Yes that's some kind of transcendental mythical theme, im trying to get alittle wiser on my self.

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    @HELLSTAR

    What I actually meant by putting individuals who excel in different schools, would happen at around 16 years of age, when they will soon be specialising on the activity they shall carry out in their life. I agree with you that if a student is with weak and strong individuals prior to around 16 years of age to develop their character and find their space. Although I still believe that the elite students should attend appropriate schools for the elite, which will become future leaders in society in various fields.

    Also about me being spoiled, I agree, but I also say that nearly everyone are spoiled as to what you believe spoiled is, the return to a non-electrical, non-scientific age is a revolution that most would find hard to accept willingly, although personally I would prefer a more natural way of life myself, even though I am spoiled, lol, like many.

    About your Einstein example, I find it immoral for a person considered to be among the elite to work for such "advancements" which until proven otherwise are of detriment to humanity.

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    Post I Agree On Technology!

    Although its hard to accept that he justifies the elite holding the technology.

    Technology should be made out of bounds for all kinds of people. Technology has always allowed easier movement of perverse orientations and it has no doubt, fiddled grossly with the nature. I am of the opinion myself that its killed lives and raped our mother earth, and destroyed our rivers by polluting them with 'industrial filth'. And it has provided basis for the explosion of populations, through all the advancements in "health sciences and medicine".

    I have a great disdain for technology, and I know that only nature alone will help us in finding a way to redeem our greatness.

    Will continue.....

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    @Rahul

    I agree on the ills of technology, what I do not agree with is your pessimistic views in it. Unfortunately the main fault of technology is not its invention and development, but for what and whom it is invented, how it is used. That is, technology is not an evil be itself, it is turned to damaging uses by man. That is why believe that legislation and public information should be what monitors technological use to insure it is environmentally-friendly. Also perhaps the control of scientific research should be all or in the huge majority in the hands of the State (which should have the interests and safeguarding of the environment in mind).

    I believe that the main damages of the environment have been done in the process of Industrialisation. A greater sense of Environmental Awareness is growing but still has to grow more in my opinion. The respect to mother Earth is essential, and I agree with your thoughts in principle. I consider myself an environmentalist or environmental-lover myself.

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    About technology for the elite, well he only said "that" to make sure only incompetent people handle the technology process,
    the main question would rather be: HOW DO WE DEFINE ELITE?

    and I total embrace your post, almost brings tears to my eyes,
    its excellent, you see the true human beneath all the artificial filth.

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    Post Re: Rahul

    Originally posted by HELLSTAR

    the main question would rather be: HOW DO WE DEFINE ELITE?
    How is the Elite defined? That is a good question. Definitely the Elite must be defined by both mental and physical ability in my opinion, the differentiation between Elite and non-Elite should happen at around 16 years of age after finishing the obligatory level of education. Definitely the Elite must include a few people so that the available resources to train them are efficient. Perhaps special curricula involving aspects related to what the State perceives as to whom is to be the Elite of the Nation and who not should be made. Such curricula should include Physical Education, Statal Organisation and Functioning, and various subjects which should be included in obligatory education. Those who excel in these subjects would be transferred to special schools where the students select those subjects they want to specialise in such as Science, Philosophy, Economics, etc.

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