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    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    But to my knowledge, Southern has never actually denied having Jewish blood. Her tweet sparked a huge controversy. If her grandpa and/or grandma weren't Jewish, why wouldn't she clarify that?
    In a different discussion she pointed out that she wasn't Jewish. The other person then called her out on the other tweet. To which she replied with a picture of her grandfather's company's lorries. Any other time people have asked her whether she were Jewish, she has stated that she's not. So she has actually denied this numerous times. It just didn't get as much public attention as the erstwhile lonely-angry-men "OMFG da Altright Interwebs hawttie could be a j00 "-triggersome*.

    Just because the (wilful?) misinterpretation of one tweet triggered the assumption she were of Jewish extraction doesn't mean it wasn't clarified elsewhere. Naturally people rarely cite that one, because it doesn't fit their narrative. Many of the American "old-right" would seek to discredit her solely by reference to supposed Jewish ancestry - and others by calling her a "tradthot". Now one might surely disagree with her - but there's other good reasons to do so, and it really doesn't need to be those strawmen, because it completely eradicates any other argument there might have been.

    A different time she talked about her mtDNA results in a YouTube video and the results mentioned no Jewish ancestry. Now, with women, this doesn't mean there can't be anything down the paternal line, but matrilineally there's nothing and that's what counts from a Jewish perspective at least. Curiously, even if her transportation-company-owning grandfather were, in fact, Jewish, it would incidentally make her marryable under the Nuremberg laws, soothing also the concerns of some not-so-much-detractors.

    *Judging from some of the comments on her social media posts, many of the same guys that would seek to discredit her solely on the (evidently untrue) rumours of supposed Jewish ancestry, then go away with a print-out of her pictures to have some "me-time", anyway. We all know it's true for a wide, wide demographic on the Right. Yea, I had to mention it to make a point, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigebrond View Post
    It's funny that a so-called "Odinist" just regurgitates the same defence of Israelis and Zionists that right wing Christians do.
    Interesting. I neither defended Israelis nor Zionists with a single word. I simply said, accepting the existence of Israel and/or tolerating figures of the Jewish extraction on the Right instead of openly fighting them, didn't necessarily make one a Zionist.

    The "old right" never got behind its triad of 'Jews must leave our countries' vs. 'Israel shan't exist' vs. 'Germanics aren't capable of having performed a genocide'. The only other viable route would be an exodus to some other country, but let's face it: Madagascar has never been an option - and if they're supposedly the most evil thing in the world, you wouldn't want them meddle with one of the globe's most unique biovariety OR indigenous peoples for that matter.

    The literal only way is to rewind to the approach of 1880s' Nationalists or 1920's conservative revolution and consider those that view our goals favourable as non-enemies. Those'll be few in number but great in effect, because the left has itself an unresolved "Israel issue". Those that are hostile to the preservationist cause can be battled on completely different grounds because quite frankly I don't care why someone's advocating a Volkstod but that it has to be halted.

    Whether under a "useful idiots" clause or an "allies clause" remains to be decided by each pragmatic stand alone. Sure, I neither agree with the virulent "Judeolatry" of some of the alt-right- But nor do I agree with the irrational hatred of some of the old-right that sometimes lets them miss the forest for the trees.

    Perhaps because Hitler collaborated with Zionists and you can't possibly accept the notion that he was wrong, or that paving the way for the founding of the modern state of Israel was one huge mistake on his part.
    Even back in the days when I did consider Hitler the greatest statesman of the 20th century, I never had the idea that he was infallible. So scrap that one, please.

    If you are pro-Israeli and defending Zionists, you are an enemy of Europe, and all other peoples as well, it's that simple. Africans flood into Europe because Israel refuses to take them in (despite playing a role in wrecking their countries), and directs them specifically to places like Sweden.
    You over-estimate Israel's geo-political power. It mustn't be under-estimated, that is true. And yes, there have been cases where Israel redirected so-called "refugees" into Europe, which is wrongsome. But Israel is not to fault for not taking African migrants in. These folks shouldn't be leaving Africa in the first place (or see the supposed pull of Europe), and for that matter I do consider every sovereign state's right not to be flooded by restless hordes of third-worlders, whether that country be Germany, China or indeed, Israel.

    These issues need to be tackled at their core. Africa will need to be fixed and Europe will need to close its borders. Israel's not at fault for asking European nations to take them in, instead. It's not a nice question, but: Our so-called political "leaders" are at fault for bending over backwards to take them in. A simple "no" would suffice and even Israel couldn't scream wolf for it. The better question is: Why do rich Arab countries not accept their supposed "Muslim brothers" into their fold?

    Muslims come en masse into Europe because the Israelis and their western allies are busy bombing the shit out of Arab countries. Assad is probably one of the only good leaders left, if not the only good leader left, and Israel is doing everything it can to topple his regime and claim Syria for Israel.
    Muslims come pouring into Europe en masse with or without the Israelis. They hail from countries in a shithole state of affairs to begin with. If some fat German lady tells me it'll house my entire village and there's a free house and beautiful blonde wife for everyone: Hel, I'm packing my bags regardless of whether Israel's sending it's US allies to bomb my country to smithereens.

    Don't fall for the narrative that these are supposed "war refugees". Most of the folks, at least those from Africa, are economic migrants seeking what is natural: a better life. And by doing so, they immigrate into our welfare systems and both bereave their home country of the potential workforce needed to actually make it a place worthwhile living - and naturally ours, because they simply don't belong here and because their rift to any type of assimilation is too large even without the biological aspect kicking in.

    I wouldn't call any non-Europeans our "allies" as such, but whereas Israel is a state founded and guided by racial supremacy, Arab/Muslim "extremists" and "terrorists" are for the most part legitimate (albeit ruthless) freedom fighters, who behave exactly the way you'd expect a people to after being trampled on by Israel and the big boys of the west for decades on end.
    As a matter of fact, neither Israel nor Palestinians treat each other with any type of respect - and then both ask Europe and the West to sort their self-made problems out. Israel does what is legitimate for a sovereign nation - and the Palestianians do what is legitimate for an indigenous people. Both are acting childish in the process and do a whole lot of illegitimate things to each other and then want the whole world to build bridges they maliciously burnt before.

    Ideally it shouldn't be our problem to decide whether either of their strides is legitimate or not. We should instead be getting into a position where that part of the world isn't our primary geopolitical concern. Personally, I buy neither from the Palestianians nor from the Israelis, but I find both the Wilders-narrative of how "Israel is the first wall of defence" of Europe idiotic - and the narrative of the noble savages that are being hampered by their evil overlords. The truth is somewhere in between and I want to move into a situation where we have the option to see neither as an ally.

    Perhaps this is the real meaning of "love thy neighbour"...
    "Love thy neighbour" and the story about the "Good Samaritan" are stories about squabbling tribes rallying together if they have a common background. So it can serve both as an inspiration for Christians taken to Nationalism or Patriotism of any sort - and yes, naturally, Zionists, for whom it was arguably written. That part isn't perhaps the meaning of "Love thy neighbour", it is actually precisely the meaning thereof. I think we can sort of agree on that end.
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    I'm actually absolutely indifferent to Lauren Southern but this immediate accusation of being a shill, Jew, race mixer and what not, just because he doesn't publicly proclaim being a 100% National-Socialist or "anti-semite", is just ridiculous and divisive. Same goes for Tommy Robinson.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    But to my knowledge, Southern has never actually denied having Jewish blood. Her tweet sparked a huge controversy. If her grandpa and/or grandma weren't Jewish, why wouldn't she clarify that?
    You can literally google "Lauren Southern Jewish" and these are the first two hits:

    https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/...71103332036608

    https://twitter.com/lauren_southern/...837824?lang=de

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    A different time she talked about her mtDNA results in a YouTube video and the results mentioned no Jewish ancestry. Now, with women, this doesn't mean there can't be anything down the paternal line, but matrilineally there's nothing and that's what counts from a Jewish perspective at least. Curiously, even if her transportation-company-owning grandfather were, in fact, Jewish, it would incidentally make her marryable under the Nuremberg laws, soothing also the concerns of some not-so-much-detractors.
    A correction: Just because her direct mtDNA line isn't Jewish, that wouldn't mean that there couldn't be Jewish blood from her maternal(to be precise, from her maternal grandparents' or her maternal grandmothers' fathers') side. People make too much of haplogroups. That being said, in the video she actually showed her autosomal results, which, if they are hers(which some people will probably doubt), show no evidence of Jewish influence. See from 4:20 and then again, from 5:31 on:



    Written out:
    *98% Europe
    ——–*68% Europe West
    ——–*19% Scandinavia
    ——–*10% Iberian Peninsula
    ——–*1% Irish
    ——–*<1% Great Britain
    *<1% Asia
    ——–*<1% Asia South
    *<1% Pacific Islander
    ——–*<1% Polynesia

    No idea where the last two percentages come from but that might be so-called "noise". DNA testing isn't an exact science (yet). Note that the percentages in general give few clues about the exact origins of her ancestors within Europe(commercial DNA tests barely ever do). But what can certainly be assumed from it is zero Jewish ancestry.
    "And in the shock of battle the men of the North seemed like a sea that cannot be moved. Firmly they stood, one close to another, forming as it were a bulwark of ice, and with great blows of their swords they hewed down the Arabs. Drawn up in a band around their chief, the people of the Austrasians carried all before them. Their tireless hands drove their swords down to the breasts of the foe." - The Mozarabic Chronicle of 754, about the Germanic victory at the Battle of Tours.

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