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    Mongoloid Ancestry in Europe

    http://www.geocities.com/refuting_rm/admixture.html

    Well, first of all their data on the Maternal admixture is outdated or bad defined, at least, for Russia. Perhaps they were sampling everybody, irregardless of ethnicity, because Eastern Russians show 2% of Mongolid admixture, while Eastern Finns/Turkics (some of them are Finninized Balts/Slavs) shows 4-20%... perhaps it's the intermediate figure...

    Anyway, their statement on the Male Mongoloid ancestry can hardly be truth.

    Male Mongoloid ancestry is difficult to assess.

    As discussed above, Tat C most likely originated west of the Urals, in a Caucasoid population ancestral to modern-day northeastern Europeans. The presence of Tat C in Scandinavia and Germany reflects northeastern European influence, and in no way indicates Mongoloid admixture. Some Mongoloid populations have high levels of Tat C, but this stems from eastward movements of European males.

    Long ago anthropologists finally established racial boundaries in Eastern Europe. They (the boundaries) represent complicated racial history of Eastern Europe. However, they fully correspond to recent genetical studies.

    For example, anthropologists confirm, that thou Bielorussians and Lithuanians are closely related to each other, they're different in decisive manner: Lithuanians are the sub-group of Bielorussians (in the racial sense), because they were altered by... Finnic admixture (and show minor signs of Mongoloidism, unlike Bielorussians). And guess what? Bielorussians have tiny, accidental HG16 admixture, while Lithuanians show significant HG16 presence.

    Same with Latvians and Estonians. Anthropologists say that EB/mongolid influenced types are not spread to the East, to the Russian territory (NB. they also say that Western Latvians and NW Estonians are fully Europid)

    Same with Finns and Eastern Finns.

    So every group who shows HG16 admixture shows also signs of Mongoloidism.

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    Mongoloid Influences in Eastern Europe and Turkestan

    Mongoloid Influences in Eastern Europe and Turkestan



    The invasions of mongoloid peoples from central Asia during the millennium from about 400 to 1400 A.D. caused the settlement of some Mongols proper (Kalmucks) near the mouth of the Volga, and the partial Mongolizing of some Finnic tribes, especially those which adopted Turkish speech. In Russian Turkestan erstwhile white populations became Mongolized in varying degrees.

    FIG. 1 (2 views, photo B. N. Vishnevsky). This deeply brunet Chuvash, a member of a tribe of Turkicized Finns in what is now the Chuvash Republic of eastern Russia, rep- resents, in his facial features, either a pronounced early Ladogan prototype, or Mongol admixture, or both.

    FIG. 2 (1 view, photo B.. N. Vishnevsky). A lighter-skinned, less mongoloid Chuvash. The median eyefold and snubbed nasal tip, with laterally oriented nostril axes, are Ladogan rather than mongoloid.

    FIG. 3 (3 views, photo J. Wastl, Archiu fur Rassenbilder , Bildaufsatz 2, Archi vkarte 11, 1926. Herausgeber E. von Eickstedt, J. F. Lehmans Verlag, Munchen). A Bashkir member of another tribe of Turkicized Finns living in the Kazan district and the southern Urals. This individual is almost completely mongoloid in the central Asiatic sense.

    FIG. 4 (2 views, photo Gordon T. Bowles). An Uzbeg from Russian Turkestan. The Uzbegs are Turkish-speaking inhabitants of the central Asiatic khanates, of mixed origin. This individual shows a partially mongoloid condition usual among these people.

    FIG.5 (1 view, photo B. N. Vishnevsky). A Tajik from Russian Turkestan; the Ta- jiks are Iranian-speaking farmers inhabiting the oases of some of the khanates, and the Pamir mountains to the south.. While characteristically European in race, a few of the Tajiks show evidences of mongoloid admixture.

    FIG. 6 (3 views, photo B. N. Vishnevsky). An Arabic-speaking native of Russian Turkestan. The remnants of the Arab invasions of the Middle Ages have been mostly absorbed by the Uzbegs, and those who retain their Semitic idiom have been in most cases racially altered. The old man shown here represents a common type in Turkestan regardless of speech or ethnic affiliation; a mixture between a mongoloid and a long- faced local Mediterranean strain, giving a pseudo-Armenoid appearance. Note the long, straight, coarse beard, a common feature among individuals of this type, which von Eickstedt calls Turanid.



    Source: The Races of Europe, Carleton S. Coon, The MacMillian Company, New York, 1948
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