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    Post Thule's Departure

    In the German section is a thread in which a Skadi member, Thule, is saying goodby because he feels a member in the English speaking section is so anti-German and perhaps anti-NS. Njord and many others have addressed these concerns but there is something I want to add which transcends, in my mind, the English/German divide.

    I believe I am the oldest member of this forum. Once upon a time, all mention of Carlton Coon was politically incorrect in the academic world. Being a big fan of Coon, I had nobody to talk to. This issues I felt were important in Anthro. were not being addressed in that dicipline. I lost interest in the whole field---until discovering Skadi where these topics were not forbidden or looked down upon and I found a Gemeinshaft of people which I had never found before.

    My point is that it is the same for people with a National Socialist point of view. Communists and Capitalists can talk anywhere, openly. We have been shunned our whole lives and forced to speak in whispers and then only to very close friends. It is not even that much better on the internet as recent events have shown, there are still people out there who want to "get" us and discredit others, without such NS views, for merely being associated on the same forum.

    My point is that perhaps we should be more understanding of the views of people like Thule who, undoubtedly, have undergone this type of shunning. I am sure we would all react, and have, if someone were virally opposed to Slavic or Irish people, for example. I think we should also be supportive and protective of Germans who have had their opinions and ideas suppressed for so long, even on the internet.

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    Post Re: Thule's Departure

    Some people just cannot handle being around anyone with different views from their own.

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    Post AW: Re: Thule's Departure

    Quote Originally Posted by lg
    Some people just cannot handle being around anyone with different views from their own.
    Something like this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ross
    You're evidently worried that Russians have raped your granddaddy and grandmammy for free... ok, so how much do we owe you for the raped half of Germany?
    Tolerance is a proof of distrust in one's own ideals. Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Post Re: AW: Re: Thule's Departure

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    Something like this?
    This is not in the Skadi database, thus it has not been said on Skadi. As it also does not touch rule #19, it is completely irrelevant.

    I commented on the issue in the German section but I shall do so here again briefly:

    1. Skadi is a forum for Europeans, not only for Germans.

    2. Skadi is open to all nationalist and racially conscious views in the widest sense of the words, not only to orthodox National-Socialists.

    3. Opinions subjectively considered anti-German do not enjoy a higher or lower degree of protection than views considered anti-Russian, anti-Serb, anti-Croat, anti-Italian, anti-Greek, anti-Swedish, anti-Polish, anti-Ukrainian, anti-Irish, anti-English, anti-American, anti-Med, or anti-Nord, all of which can be held and have been held here in the past within the framework of our rules.

    4. To allow to discipline members or to stiffle their opinions on the ground that some of their fellow co-members consider them offensive, or opposed to certain ethnicities or ideologies, or codswallop, or counter-productive to a certain Gemeinschaft feeling based on some undefined interest, will lead onto a slippery slope, on which the encroachment on expressions central to Skadi's core values of European Racial, Spiritual and Cultural Preservation is permitted. To guard against this result, the protection of all rule-abiding communications not explicitly opposed to these values will be necessary in order to assure that unpopular expressions compatible with them are never unjustifiably limited.

    5. Albeit it can be argued that Ross (and The Blond Beast for that matter) consciously and premeditatedly dance in the grey zone of the rules with the intent to provoke (and to get a laugh at the reactions), this is plainly irrelevant, as we cannot and do not judge intent and motives. We judge rule violations. People get disciplined for rule violations -- like Ross, Loki, and Northern Paladin got only yesterday. If people don't violate the rules, then they don't. It is infinitely more likely for a person to be put under moderation for a personal insult against a member than for having a skull bone of a certain politician in his signature -- or for calling him a "tramp."

    Needless to say, Ross and The Blond Beast, in general, provide perspectives that are valuable to this community, alone because of their ethnic background -- perspectives which otherwise would remain largely unheard. It's not that we would have dozens of contributing Russian nationalists here. Even if everything they say should be false, erroneous, or fallacious, it will still serve a fair purpose. In the words of Mill:

    The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.
    6. I do not believe most people come to Skadi to feel at home in a NS Gemeinschaft. There are NS forums for this purpose, such as this one. While National-Socialists are as much welcome on Skadi, as every other nationalist or racially conscious person, they shall not enjoy any special protection here. I believe most people come to Skadi Forum because people can hold their nationalist or racially conscious positions -- whatever they may be -- in a civil and intelligent atmosphere beyond unreasonable ideological constraints; and, consequently, they find very interesting perspectives and information here.

    That makes Skadi quite different from other forums, and this policy is not subject to change.
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    Post Re: Thule's Departure

    If Thule left because he thinks Skadi is anti-German then Skadi should have run out of U.S members a long time ago.I havent seen a "Why Germans are so dump" thread yet.
    I think this guy overeacted.

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    Post Re: Thule's Departure

    I wish THULE would do like I do and just ignore Ross completely. When I see a thread started by him or a post in another thread, I just pass right by it and pretend it isn't there. Come on, this is Ross we're talking about. What can one expect? :eyes

    If this board in its majority were to become anti-German, I might consider to leave and find another board, but since it's only one or two people, I can just ignore them. The vast majority of the board is not anti-German at all, but rather friendly to Germans and NSers.

    THULE leaving because of what a few retards post is is exactly what the retards wanted in the first place.

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    Post Re: Thule's Departure

    Quote Originally Posted by Alkman
    If Thule left because he thinks Skadi is anti-German then Skadi should have run out of U.S members a long time ago.I havent seen a "Why Germans are so dump" thread yet.
    I think this guy overeacted.
    I think Americans at this forum realize that something is very wrong with their country. "Why are Americans so dumb" is a question we Americans ask among ourselves. It is an absolutely legetimate question.

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    Post Re: Thule's Departure

    i say to "Thule" that one must be superior to stupid provocations or at least answer to thoose kind of with strict logic and clever hardness: is not useful to left a forum 'cause some phrase whatever offensive it could be, is not enough!

    I encourage Thule to remain
    PS=if someone interest i give also the Thule project getting place in Italy, a virtual community of comrades very inside militant area of radical ideas of Traditionalism.
    Ave et vale!

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Thule's Departure

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    This is not in the Skadi database, thus it has not been said on Skadi. As it also does not touch rule #19, it is completely irrelevant.

    I commented on the issue in the German section but I shall do so here again briefly:


    6. I do not believe most people come to Skadi to feel at home in a NS Gemeinschaft. There are NS forums for this purpose, such as this one.

    That makes Skadi quite different from other forums, and this policy is not subject to change.
    I don't think anyone considers Skadi a NS Gemeinschaft but is it not a Gemeinschaft in which they can feel welcome? Thule was not feeling welcome because of the words of another and probably had some reason for feeling as he does. Thule pointed this out. In view of the problems and price Germans pay for "coming out of the closet" with these views, if they hold them, don't they deserve the same protection that, for instance, a person of Irish descent would receive if someone made light of some of the horrible injustices done to the Irish in their recent history? And shouldn't the same sympathy be extended to the Germans as we extend to the people of Eastern Europe regarding injustices done to them by the Germans during WW2? What concerns me is not the specific words said to offend but the underlying idea that they could be said, to injure others, with impunity.

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