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    Post The Definition of "Nordic"

    I'm not sure wheter this is the right forum, to discuss this.

    This is purely my personal view on the world, but as far as I'm concerned whole Europe, including
    Russia, is "nordic". Especially when you see it in relation to the rest of the world, Europe is

    situated in the northern hemisphere.

    My definition for nordic is probably different for a lot of people here, but it's the way I see

    it. I visualized my vision (as can be seen below). It isn't very detailed, but it's roughly how I

    see the world:



    Legend
    Dark slateblue = nordic geographically, racially and

    culturally
    Cyan = idem., but mixed with non nordic racial and cultural

    influences.
    Green = same as cyan, but not nordic geographically
    Red = nordic racially and culturally, but not geographically
    Tan = non-nordic geographically, racially and culturally
    Yellow = neutral

    Emphasized view:



    By the way, one of motivations is that some anthropologists tend to refer to whole Europe as being a nordic.

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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by BATAAF

    My definition for nordic is probably different for a lot of people here, but it's the way I see it. I visualized my vision (as can be seen below). It isn't very detailed, but it's roughly how I
    So by your definition Greece and Georgia are Nordic racially and culturally but the Krasnodar Krai in Russia is not? Keeping in mind that the Northwestern Caucasians proper are Pontids in majority as well as the Southwestern Russians and that the Georgians are of the West Asian type; that's kind of confusing, isn't it?

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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    So by your definition Greece and Georgia are Nordic racially and culturally but the Krasnodar Krai in Russia is not?
    I did it very roughly. Even in North-Eastern China there is quite a huge slavic (unmixed) presence, like in Harbin.


    Keeping in mind that the Northwestern Caucasians proper are Pontids in majority as well as the Southwestern Russians and that the Georgians are of the West Asian type; that's kind of confusing, isn't it?
    Georgians aren't really "nordic" at all, indeed. But Armenians have Indo-European roots, surely their culture is very much so. They've also proven to be a great ally of Russia (against Turkey; which is always a great thing).


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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    What you defined as "Nordic" is just roughly European.
    So its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.
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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by BATAAF
    I did it very roughly. Even in North-Eastern China there is quite a huge slavic (unmixed) presence, like in Harbin.
    Yes, Harbin; China's own Mongolia region, I believe there are also quite a number of Russians there. Coincidentally I had a classmate from Harbin last semester who more or less verified this.

    Georgians aren't really "nordic" at all, indeed. But Armenians have Indo-European roots, surely their culture is very much so. They've also proven to be a great ally of Russia (against Turkey; which is always a great thing).
    So do the Ossets, in terms of Indo-European roots and culture; even more so than the Armenians in fact. Both Southern Ossetia and Abkhazia (who is not an Indo-European country) have allied with Russia in the past in their conflict against Georgia and Northern Ossetia is already an autonomous republic within the CIS.

    It looks like you are equating Indo-European culture and ethnology with the Nordic and it is rather far fetched to say the least.

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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    What you defined as "Nordic" is just roughly European.
    So its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.
    True and besides, Indo-European need not mean exclusively "European", the "Indo" does not stand for nothing. Ancient Iranian and contemporary Osset (Alan) culture has been and is as Indo-European as it gets but neither are/were "European".

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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.
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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Yes, Harbin; China's own Mongolia region, I believe there are also quite a number of Russians there. Coincidentally I had a classmate from Harbin last semester who more or less verified this.
    I have been to Harbin as well in 2003 and believe me - there are almost no Russians permanently residing there. 99% of Russians that you see in the streets are traders from Siberia and Russian Far East that come there only on business. Oh yes, besides, there is a certain quatity of Russian prostitutes.

    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Northern Ossetia is already an autonomous republic within the CIS.
    Thats not correct. Northern Ossetia is one of the regions of Russian Federation. It has no connections with CIS, separate from Russia.

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    Post Re: The definition "nordic"

    Can someone tell me why this concept of 'Nordic' is to be considered more important than, say, the far more real concept of a 'West European race'? The difference in identity between Germany and Spain is far less than the difference between, say, France and Russia. A conflict/war for subracial preservation is highly unlikely to happen, 'Nordic' is a floating abstraction with no political utility. Hitler recognised that, and had no scruples in accepted Alpine Austrians as equals so long as they were culturally Germanic, while Nordic Russians who were culturally Slavs were recognised simply as the enemy. My point is: culture is more important than subrace. Whether an individual is considered Nordic or not has little, if any, impact on his cultural productivity. What counts is the strength of will and the intelligence to see it articulated. This is not subracially specific. I have yet to see any evidence that traditionally Nordic countries are under threat of Meditterranean colonisation or vice versa. This conflict seems to be simply an internet conflict. What both sections of Europe, indeed, all sections of Europe, are faced with are the problems of aging populations, extra-European immigration, low birth rates, cultural degredation and coming economic collapse. Bitching and screaming over the internet about which subrace is preferred will not even put a dent in these problems. And Batavier's equation of Nordic = European is simply false.

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