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    i am bored so i am starting a left vs right debate (if you want to call it that). white nationslim or any racial ideology, IMO, is nonsense. what advantages do you see in an all white society? i think the reason white nationalism has been so unsuccesful is because it doesn't affer solutions. it only says, if there is an all white state, everything will be better, without saying why.

    why is Marxism better? because it offers more. even if you do not agree with how to make it work, the ideal of Marxism appeals to almost everyone of all nations. it offers economic equality (to a degree) to working class people of all nations and offers solutions to other social problems like crime.

    white nationalism does not have a specific program and most people (including all whites) would agree that there lives would not benefit under a white nationalist state.

    Marxism may have its faults as is seen in the past, but it still offers hope and is a stronger ideal than simply hating other races.

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    White nationalism alone is not a political ideology. It is white seperatism. It is the desire to have all white nations. White Nationalists can have many different political beliefs. That is why white nationalism will not work as a political ideology -it is not one, well, not entirely. But, at this point in time what is most important is the common interest to preserve white european race and culture.

    White nationalism does not say that everything will automatically be better with an all white nation. It has to do with #1 preserving heritage, culture, and pride. Once all white nations are developed, that goal is in sight. And from there economics and other political aspects come into play. White nationalism does not say that the country will automatically be better economically, etc, but that it is the beginning to the end of the threat of the extinction of our people. What does it matter if there are all white nations? What would be wrong with that? Why do other cultures want to live with whites so badly?

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    maybe the post should be Marxism vs National Socialism.

    i know white nationalism isn't necessarily a concrete political ideology, but why can't you be just normal nationalists? why can't you just work on preserving Canadas culture without deporting all black people?

    i have no problem with white areas or nations who want to stay white. that is the right of the people to decide who they want or don't want in there space, but i am against the attitude of most white nationalists. they cloud there hate for other races with a love for there own culture and heritage.

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    why can't you be just normal nationalists? why can't you just work on preserving Canadas culture without deporting all black people?

    Canada's culture? What is Canada's culture? Who said anything about deporting all black people? I want White European nations to stay white European. Canada and the USA were made by whites into the nations that they are today. But, we have allowed them to become multi-racial. Big mistake. I don't know exactly what to do with the mess in North America, but I don't think that non-whites have any place in white european countries. What is wrong with their native lands? It is what they made them into, they should deal with it. If they want to live in a first world country, make one. Why haven't they made one? Why should we have these people who come from countries so undesirable to live in, to infiltrate our lands and contribute absolutely nothing besides the bullshit cop-out called "diversity"?

    i have no problem with white areas or nations who want to stay white. that is the right of the people to decide who they want or don't want in there space

    But, you see, we don't have that right! That's why there are white nationalists.

    but i am against the attitude of most white nationalists. they cloud there hate for other races with a love for there own culture and heritage.

    You can love your own culture and hate another at the same time. Why is it so wrong to "hate"? What is hate defined as today? Hate IS the love of your own people, because the multi-cult world is saying to embrace all cultures of the world and amalgamate them into your own, and if you disagree you must be a bigot. I think anyone can hate whoever they want. You can't control a person's feelings.

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    Aryan Racialism is a positive urge to retain the Aryan Identity in a given Society. I agree that most of White or Aryan Racialism is relegated to simple Segregation but that is because most Racialists do not seek to develop an Ideology that includes all sorts of Social questions such as Economics. I am mostly a Socialist Economically, and I am sure some if not most Racialists disagree with this position.

    Racialism is simply an attack on the forces that aim to destroy our Societal Racial Integrity and our Racial Integrity itself. I am the first to agree that we need more to it than that, but unfortunately most Racialists do not go further the Race question, and that is a pity.

    You cannot oppose Marxism/Communism and Aryan Racialism because you would have to consider only certain aspects of Marxism/Communism when comparing Aryan Racialism. You could compare at most Egalitarianism with Racialism. Marxism/Communism is mostly an Economic Theory, Racialism is not.

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    Post Re: Marxism vs White Nationalism

    Originally posted by Mikhail
    i am bored so i am starting a left vs right debate (if you want to call it that). white nationslim or any racial ideology, IMO, is nonsense. what advantages do you see in an all white society? i think the reason white nationalism has been so unsuccesful is because it doesn't affer solutions. it only says, if there is an all white state, everything will be better, without saying why.

    why is Marxism better? because it offers more. even if you do not agree with how to make it work, the ideal of Marxism appeals to almost everyone of all nations. it offers economic equality (to a degree) to working class people of all nations and offers solutions to other social problems like crime.

    white nationalism does not have a specific program and most people (including all whites) would agree that there lives would not benefit under a white nationalist state.

    Marxism may have its faults as is seen in the past, but it still offers hope and is a stronger ideal than simply hating other races.
    If Marxism is better, then why do Marxist countries beg Capitalist countries for money and why do they have millions of starving people!? Even if you say marxism looks good in theory, so can Capitalism.

    For example, in a capital society everybody can have bread, water and education. Some people may have fancier beds than others--but at least everybody gets a bed. This is ideal capitalism without crime or poverty. Therefore marxism cannot be any better than capitalism.
    http://www.hoffman-info.com/communist.html

    To give the other side of history, the revisionist side--to give voice to the voiceless millions of dead victims of Jewish Communism--is regarded as "hateful" by the vain Zionists who demand for themselves the right to vomit forth a daily barrage of sewage upon the sacred memory of our grandparents and ancestors. To defend against the dishonoring of our heritage and our ancestors, is surely not hate; it is the right of self-defense against psychological warfare.

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    Originally posted by Reno
    If Marxism is better, then why do Marxist countries beg Capitalist countries for money


    i wanted to keep economics out of this and leave it to a ideological debate between Marxism and Nazism, but i would like to see your evidence of this begging for money. if you mean loans, then that is something that happens in capitalist countries also.

    and why do they have millions of starving people!?
    lol, show me evidence that all Marxist countries have millions of starving people. China is on the verge of being an economic superpower, Cubans live probobly the best in Latin America (still not good but it is a start), Vietnam and Laos are also in new eras of prosperity (even if it is because of an introduction of a more market socialist economy). North Korea is still a shit hole, but for the reason of a massive military build up more than anything.

    [quoteEven if you say marxism looks good in theory, so can Capitalism.[/quote]

    i never said capitailsm didn't look good in theory. Adam Smith style capitalism however is nothing like the capitalism you see in the USA.

    For example, in a capital society everybody can have bread, water and education.
    there is no capitalist country in the world today. only variations of the mixed economy. you get all the above things in a Socialist country and East Germany actually better value on the basic things you are talking about (if you filled a West German basket and an east German one, the East German one would give you more for less). consumer items have always been more of a problem in Socialism. but i have my own theories on how to fix that.

    Some people may have fancier beds than others--but at least everybody gets a bed.
    if we are only debating theory, this has no relavance. in theory everyone gets a bed in Marxism and Capitalism.

    This is ideal capitalism without crime or poverty. Therefore marxism cannot be any better than capitalism.
    what do you base that on? ideologically, how do you say Marxism is not better than capitalism?

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    The main political stand-off must be between Nationalism [i.e., Fascism, National Socialism] and Internationalism [i.e., Communism, global Capitalism].

    The Nationalist political outlook is particularist, while the other is Universalist.
    I believe that Nationalism is superior because the Race/Nation are comprehensible entities, and like all things on earth, admit of a self/other dichotomy; indeed, this in itself is political per se.

    The Internationalist drive to make the Globe the 'one sole entity' is doomed [if it ever reaches its goal], as there will be no Other to define it.
    An undifferentiated 'humanity' will then spread over the earth, consuming all resources like a plague of locusts.

    Internationalism is technocratic [only by technology can man conquer the whole Globe]; Nationalism is organic; it seeks only to replenish and husband its own Blood and Soil.
    Nationalism reflects the Order of Rank in Nature.
    Nationalism never lets technics or money over-rule the ultimate good of the Racial/Nation/Homeland.
    Nationalism is grounded in, and bound to, its particular Homeland - it respects the Earth.

    Nationalism has never failed in and of itself, it has only been defeated by the overwhelming numbers of Internationalism - a triumph of quantity over quality.

    There is no simple ideology for Nationalism, as it is not, - unlike Communism, the recent brainchild of an apostate Jew.
    Nationalism goes back to the polis of ancient Greece, and the tribalism of the early Aryans and Teutons.

    It recognises the age-old truth that it is the QUALITY of a PEOPLE that make a difference, not their mere quantity, or even their bogus 'equality'.
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    Post Re: Marxism vs White Nationalism

    Originally posted by Mikhail
    i am bored so i am starting a left vs right debate (if you want to call it that). white nationslim or any racial ideology, IMO, is nonsense. what advantages do you see in an all white society?
    It has nothing to do with a white society in particular. we want all Nations/Races to stick to their own.

    i think the reason white nationalism has been so unsuccesful is because it doesn't affer solutions. it only says, if there is an all white state, everything will be better, without saying why.
    That is pathetic what you are saying, We hold the Key to earthly Harmony while you people hold the Key to eternal misery/industry/evolution/personality-loss/pride/ and the list is to fucking long. we have declared many times the Natural purpose behind our strong beliefs.

    why is Marxism better? because it offers more. even if you do not agree with how to make it work, the ideal of Marxism appeals to almost everyone of all nations. it offers economic equality (to a degree) to working class people of all nations and offers solutions to other social problems like crime.

    Yes that's one of the reasons I do not like it, its international and is complementary for the capitalism as witnessed through centuries, there is not such thing as economic equality, not because im rich or support plutocracy but because I simply being realistic, nothing is equal in this universe, the opposition is the equilibrist which keeps the balance obtained. again what we build can we tear down and I didn't mean to overlook the fact that National socialism might appear National but is International in the consensus it can be used and prospered. I would be happy if Arabs were National socialists as well. well the whole earth. but we must be realistic once again, many of these races are simply not deep enough to embrace such wisdom, again it just consolidate my point about we are not equal.

    white nationalism does not have a specific program and most people (including all whites) would agree that there lives would not benefit under a white nationalist state.
    There are several programs. and many you haven't heard about, perhaps because we are not so dogmatic and stiff as the Judea ones. yet our programs show more firmness and progressiveness and reasonableness.

    Marxism may have its faults as is seen in the past, but it still offers hope and is a stronger ideal than simply hating other races.
    Its not about hating other people. but its often described or naively viewed as that because the so-called "haters" as you call them, comes in conflict with strangers on their soil. but it has nothing to do with hate, it has to do with love, good strong healthy love for your people. we want our people the best while multicultural people want their people the worse, they want the pulverizing of the strong pillars standing left so the weak overtly can declare the Archetypical pillars for corrosive and dangerous and therefore tear down the building which they supported, the building symbolize the home of a nation of many and not to be forgotten those of our ancestors. Hear me, our day will come and you people shall not be forgotten for thy treacherous acts.

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    << i am bored so i am starting a left vs right debate (if you want to call it that). white nationslim or any racial ideology, IMO, is nonsense. what advantages do you see in an all white society? i think the reason white nationalism has been so unsuccesful is because it doesn't affer solutions. it only says, if there is an all white state, everything will be better, without saying why. >>

    My reason for being involved in racialism is to get a deeper understanding of who I am, and an appreciation for those cultures and societies created by my ancestors/kin/volk/etc.
    My race is a part of who I am, and therefore it is important. To deny its existance is unhealthy, just as it is unhealthy to deny any part of my being.
    You are right about "white nationalism". I myself am not a "white nationalist" so view my post as a collection of semi-relevant comments rather than as a debate.

    << why is Marxism better? because it offers more. even if you do not agree with how to make it work, the ideal of Marxism appeals to almost everyone of all nations. it offers economic equality (to a degree) to working class people of all nations and offers solutions to other social problems like crime. >>

    One thing marxism does not offer, though, is a sense of spirituality. To me, that makes it a very empty "philosophy".


    << Marxism may have its faults as is seen in the past, but it still offers hope and is a stronger ideal than simply hating other races. >>

    You are oversimplifying what racialists beleive. It is not about "hating other races".

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