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    Quote Originally Posted by Aptrgangr View Post
    You see. That's why it is called Grundgesetz in German, not Verfassung.
    The Basic Law serves the same purpose as a constitution. Or at least a very similar purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The Basic Law serves the same purpose as a constitution. Or at least a very similar purpose.
    Exactly, and it doesn't even matter, it is a piece of paper. Its value and power rely on men enforcing its scribbles. The US (or any other nation's) constitution is in no way any different. Aptranger has problems with realities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The Basic Law serves the same purpose as a constitution. Or at least a very similar purpose.
    It doesn't, it is a fairy tale book of private nature. If it was a constitution it would fulfill two basic condition, firstly it would be verifiably true, and it would be signed by anyone it affects.

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    Exactly, and it doesn't even matter, it is a piece of paper. Its value and power rely on men enforcing its scribbles. The US (or any other nation's) constitution is in no way any different. Aptranger has problems with realities.
    Deutscher Irrationalismus strikes again, purely philosophical thus unscientific concotions can not be enforced. It is like saying one wants to enforce Harry Potter, or Pumuckl the Gnome. The US constitution would allow popular sovereignty, but the people there less and less are interested in it, whereas overhere the HRE feudalism, enriched with some II. and III. Reich era elements from the beginning on rules any popular sovereignty out.
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    Is the German Constitution a "living document"? Compared with the American one, yes, except for its political correctness clauses, apparently. Germany is designed to operate in self-defeat.

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    It makes me wonder, if there had been any Grundgesetz Verfassung Constitution
    before our current one in 1933, 1919, 1871, pre-1806 ;
    and if so, what were these formulated.

    Would our current Constitution differ much from earlier constitutions ?

    One has to really note, that these laws were children of their times.

    Times are changing,
    and from a low-level point of view : Who benefits and profits most of any laws ?
    A high-level person can almost afford everything.

    And our current constitution is said to be formulated by tax-paid law professors from
    universities, and their names and lives between 1910 - 1945 are unknown.
    These professors likely were functioning very well during 1933-1945.
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    It was supposed to be a temporary basic law that was going to govern in the Federal Republic until the German people would decide otherwise. i.e. a sort of "state of emergency". When the East Germans joined, they also accepted and subordinated to it.

    Note that no peace treaty has been signed, so Germany is still de facto under occupation. And as we've seen "states of emergency" last for a long time in the Federal Republic.

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