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    Ariosophy and Race

    I'm searching for the Aryanosophical nationalist position on Race.

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    Isn't 'Race' in its usual usage either so abstract that no useful definitions are possible [other than broad White, Black etc.,], or else too biological to transcend scientism?

    Other questions;

    1) Would an Aryan Racialist include high caste Hindus in his Race?

    2) Are Slavs an 'Under-race' as Hitler thought?

    3) Are blond-haired blue-eyed Jews 'White'?

    4) Is an Arab/Asian Nationalist more of a comrade than a White multiracial liberal?
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 05:10 PM. Reason: updated thread

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    I'd say that exactly "broad" definitions are obsolete.

    Answers:

    1. No.
    2. No. Slavs are the ONLY Aryans
    3. How do you know they're Jews?
    4. Liberal is better
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 04:55 PM. Reason: updated thread

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    High caste indians are aryan.

    The only asians we are genetically similar to are the Koreans,Chinese,and Japanese, that is why some of them have white pinkish skin.

    Arabs are more similar to Europeans than any other group except Iranians,should I see no problem accepting them.
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 04:55 PM. Reason: updated thread

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    Post Re: How are we defining Race?

    1) The issue is of little relevance.

    2) No

    3)Racially yes. Politically no.

    4) In the grand scheme of things yes.
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 04:56 PM. Reason: updated thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross
    1. No
    Well what about Judea Christians then?
    Personally I doubt you can be one of us if your Polluted by Hinduism or Judaism and etc...

    2. No. Slavs are the ONLY Aryans
    Hard to say what I really feel about this one. first of all im not sure what the Slavic race is, as we have no race called that

    3. How do you know they're Jews?
    Good Question and Answer but I assumed Moody Lawless already had some foundation to which establish the race doubt upon? well my answer: show me the person. let me test them. I wanna feel their essence and worth.

    4. Liberal is better
    Now that's just pure idiotic. did you misunderstand what Moody wrote or something? Of cause some Asian who preserve his culture and race is a better comrade than some traitor exploiting his own people and causing their obliteration. I mean what is there to miss here?
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    Post Re: How are we defining Race?

    Originally posted by Moody Lawless

    1) Would an Aryan Racialist include high caste Hindus in his Race?
    I have not seen any High Caste Hindus, perhaps the better solution would be to judge each individual concerned.


    2) Are Slavs an 'Under-race' as Hitler thought?
    No never, while I do not support Intraracial Egalitarianism, certainly I prefer to judge all Aryans according to their own individual merits especially if its a fellow Racialist.


    3) Are blond-haired blue-eyed Jews White?
    Well they would be Aryan in phenotypical characteristic I guess, and frankly if you did not know that the person concerned is a Jew from appearance, every Racialist would probably welcome them. Also why is it only blond-haired blue-eyed Jews, what about other Jews that have the appearance of another White Subrace?


    4) Is an Arab/Asian Nationalist more of a comrade than a White multiracial liberal?
    I prefer a Nationalist or Racialist of another Race more worthwile than a White Liberal, who is a Race Traitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar
    Well what about Judea Christians then?
    Personally I doubt you can be one of us if your Polluted by Hinduism or Judaism and etc...
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    Hard to understand you here...

    The question was: "1) Would an Aryan Racialist include high caste Hindus in his Race?" (he's referring to light Indians, like their PM)

    The answer was: "No".

    ???

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    Hard to say what I really feel about this one. first of all im not sure what the Slavic race is, as we have no race called that
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    This question worths this answer

    But before Guenther anthropologists used terms like "Germanic", "Slavic", "Fenno" to define race... So why not? :-)

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    Now that's just pure idiotic. did you misunderstand what Moody wrote or something? Of cause some Asian who preserve his culture and race is a better comrade than some traitor exploiting his own people and causing their obliteration. I mean what is there to miss here?
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    First of all, I'm against Nazis of all kind. The so called "Liberals" are nothing more than today's Nazis, literally forcing whites to do one thing or another, such as mixing with negros. I don't need neither German, nor Jewish or whatever Nazis... I'm very liberal... Like ancient Romans, Greeks, Germans, Slavs (Slavs have founded the very first Democratic Republic in the Northern Europe, btw)... you know... the Nordic spirit is incompatible with dictatorship of any kind, whther it's Nazism or Communism
    Second, imagine, that we have the true Democracy and everybody has the right to speak his mind out, that "Liberals" have no power, and that people can really choose... so shall I care for whites who will mix with arabs or asians? Good riddance! They're dangerous for selection.

    With this TRULY racialist approach a Hallstatt who believes in intermixture is ok, as he still CAN produce little hallstatts, an arab or an asian - never. Americans are told to be multiculturalists (and yes they ARE) yet not many of them are mixing with negros, you see... and yes majority of americans are pro-mixing (that's what media have inserted in them) So does it mean that racially aware americans shall migrate to conservative/not-multiculturalist Japan just because of the stupid National-Socialist ideology? Does it mean that 150 000 000 Japs are better than 95% of fellow WHITE americans?

    I say - in the end I'll mary a nice Nordic (preferably Corded) female even if she is extremly PRO multiculturalism, and NOT a Nazi wannabe from Iran or Arab countries.
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, January 11th, 2007 at 05:03 PM. Reason: updated thread

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    Post Re: How are we defining Race?

    Let me attempt to answer these questions..........

    Originally posted by Moody Lawless

    Isn't Race either so abstract that no useful definitions are possible [other than broad White, Black etc.,], or else too biological to transcend scientism?


    No, race is a concrete concept, in fact infinitely more so than nationhood, or any other government or political idealogy. A country is really only imagined in the eyes of people, because in nature there is no physical line drawn down the earth with a name upon the soil.

    On the other hand race is not so abtract that people can't form some sort of basis for identifying it, whether difficult or easy. We can also find genetic proof of these traits we consider race to be based on, so yes race is real, it's definitely real. Or isn't that what you meant to ask?

    On the subject of White sub-races, there are definitely easy to spot examples of White subraces (if you know what to look for), which proves their existence. Although we have tended to blend together somewhat, the fact that we have blended doesn't disprove the existence of subraces, just as race-mixing doesn't disprove the existence of race.

    If you need to know the difference between us and Arabs, then just look at how they live! How many great classical composers from Palestine do you know?? Artists? Inventors?

    None?

    So I ask you, how stupid are we if we can't tell the difference between White Europeans and Arabs?

    Are there so few differences?? I myself don't think so.



    Other questions;

    1) Would an Aryan Racialist include high caste Hindus in his Race?

    2) Are Slavs an 'Under-race' as Hitler thought?

    3) Are blond-haired blue-eyed Jews White?

    4) Is an Arab/Asian Nationalist more of a comrade than a White multiracial liberal?
    1) I would only attempt to decide that on a personal basis. Honestly I have seen examples of perfectly White European looking Indians in the higher castes (I don't know if this applies to Hindus).

    Certainly comrades like Rahul are valuable to us and our movement. But I still would rather mate with a European than an indian no matter how high the caste, how white the skin, or how blue the eyes.

    2) Not all of them. Also, people of any race (even nordic) can be untermenschen, by mistake of genes, or bad breeding.

    3) Technically they have White skin, but they are not Aryan, they do not have the same genetic makeup as us (just look at the Tay Sacks disease) and they should not be allowed to join our movement. They are not politically White OR Aryan.

    4) Politically yes, biologically no. If given a choice only between the two, I'd breed with a Nordic liberal but never a Non-white nationalist.

    By the way, Asians are not White, and neither are Arabs. Jews may appear White but one should not breed with them because they are from another race.
    Last edited by Moody; Wednesday, January 10th, 2007 at 01:39 PM. Reason: up-dated thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    << Isn't Race either so abstract that no useful definitions are possible [other than broad White, Black etc.,], or else too biological to transcend scientism? >>
    No, I don't think so. Between physical anthropology and genetic testing we have the tools necessary to clearly define race and racial types.

    << Would an Aryan Racialist include high caste Hindus in his Race? >>
    Well I think what we need to do is establish exactly what we mean by "aryan". This is where physical anthropology and genetic testing come into play.
    We also need to decide how much importance we are going to place on ethnicity.
    From here we would be able to determine whether or not some Hindus may be included within our race.

    << Are Slavs an 'Under-race' as Hitler thought? >>
    No, because "Slav" is not a race.

    << Are blond-haired blue-eyed Jews White? >>
    They are white in that they are caucasian. But I would not consider them aryan.

    << Is an Arab/Asian Nationalist more of a comrade than a White multiracial liberal? >>
    Yes. I'm not opposed to forming alliances with non-aryan groups/people whose agendas are compatable with ours.
    Last edited by Moody; Thursday, January 11th, 2007 at 05:05 PM. Reason: up-dated thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azdaja
    Between physical anthropology and genetic testing we have the tools necessary to clearly define race and racial types.
    My argument is that this 'scientific' approach is self-defeating, because it either;

    i) means we have to follow wherever science leads [and that could mean being led against racial nationalism], or

    ii) we have to use science as a way of justifying our prejudices, which is not scientific.

    Also, the DNA approach has nothing of the 'Spirit' about it to inspire much-needed Heroism.
    So while a scientific approach may help us to 'classify', it does not help us to become Classical.

    Well I think what we need to do is establish exactly what we mean by "aryan". This is where physical anthropology and genetic testing come into play.
    There you are; a purely scientific approach means that you have to discard the 'Aryan' category, because it is not a scientific classification.

    We also need to decide how much importance we are going to place on ethnicity.
    From here we would be able to determine whether or not some Hindus may be included within our race.
    Fine, again you prove that scientism leads to a gathering SCEPTICISM about the importance of Race [ethnicity also being a weaker term for race].

    I say this; Race with us, MUST BE A PREJUDICE.

    Race must be a matter of Faith.

    To a National Socialist, Race is of Primary Importance whether supported by science or not.

    "Slav" is not a race.
    Similar scepticism towards the Slavs as towards the Aryans: THIS is why I say the purely scientific approach goes nowhere but backwards.

    Blond-haired blue-eyed Jews are white in that they are caucasian. But I would not consider them aryan.
    More confusion; this is because Race is not purely a scientific concept. It is a Spiritual/Cultural/Biological concept ... at least.

    I'm not opposed to forming alliances with non-aryan groups/people whose agendas are compatable with ours.
    That avoids the question;
    Is an anti-nationalist, pro-multiculturalist, pro-liberal Caucasian/White/Aryan MORE of a comrade than a Nationalist/Racialist non-White?

    If not, then we are contradicting our Racial principles.
    If we answer that he is, then we are contradicting our ideological principles - which is it?
    Last edited by Moody; Monday, January 8th, 2007 at 05:09 PM. Reason: up-dated thread

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