On "Jewish" Bolshevism

[Quisling]

Okay, I will comment further, just to try to prove to you that I am not trying to ignore you:

4. If we compare the economic growth, life expectancies, health care systems, etc. of Czarist Russia with the Soviet Union, we must necessarily conclude that the general population benefited from the Bolshevik revolution.

Ha! As if the horror of 20 million murders were offset by a slight increase in availability of health care [an availability which I question, by the way].








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[ogenoct]

Look at the results: decades of misery under the Bolsheviks only to be delivered up to the depredations of the capitalist system, America and Israel in the end after all. Why are you not angry at these Jewish Marxist Bolshevik hypocrites and deceivers of a proud Volk like the Russians?

Do you really believe that? Reality proves you wrong. Communism fell because of traitors within the system (fifth column). How have the "Jewish" Bolsheviks deceived the Russian folk? In actuality, the exact opposite happened. The Russians were saved from Tsarist oppression. Russia became the Third Rome, the Soviet Union was a proud Russian empire. Lenin was not a Jew. Quoting irrelevant conspiracy theories does not make him one. And besides, who cares? What difference would it make? HAIL Stalin! Besides, wasn't Hitler Jewish? And homosexual?

Constantin

[Siegmund]

Do you really believe that? Reality proves you wrong. Communism fell because of traitors within the system (fifth column). How have the "Jewish" Bolsheviks deceived the Russian folk? In actuality, the exact opposite happened. The Russians were saved from Tsarist oppression. Russia became the Third Rome, the Soviet Union was a proud Russian empire. Lenin was not a Jew. Quoting irrelevant conspiracy theories does not make him one. And besides, who cares? What difference would it make? HAIL Stalin! Besides, wasn't Hitler Jewish? And homosexual?

First...
Cool signature.

Second...
I don't understand how you can be unaware of the utter misery in which the Russian folk lived under Bolshevism and in which many of them still live. Wasn't Bolshevisim supposed to provide a superior economic system and lead to prosperity for all Soviet citizens?

Bogus conspiracy theories about a "fifth column" aside, it was fundamentally the dire poverty of the people and bankruptcy of the economy that drove the CCCP into the arms of hooligan capitalism. Bolshevism and capitalism are the two sides of the same Jewish coin... because it's all about the coin, fundamentally and ultimately, in both systems.

Third...
I wonder what would have happened to an intellectual like yourself under the Soviet regime once you realized you were trapped in a system of venal, ignorant apparachniks. What if your ideas and intelligence were suppressed and you knew only a few individuals you could respect, and not even for their political beliefs but for basic human qualities like courage and honesty? What would you have done?

You would have rebelled!

HAIL Constantin, who would have rebelled, based on his own inner principles and convictions, against the very system he idealizes today, because that system was in reality corrupt!

Fourth...
To recognize the idealism of veteran members like yourself and your enthusiastic though largely ineffectual () efforts to destroy the so-called curse of National Socialism, it would be great if Skadi had something like a "Hero of the Skadi Union" award. Out of respect for genuine Soviet heros like Vassili Zaitsev, it probably should be named something different, but you get the idea.



Of course, there would have to be a countervailing award for veteran members who have fought valiantly against the genuine curse of National Bolshevism. I can think of AK and a few others who might be a natural for this coveted award.

[ogenoct]

HAIL Constantin, who would have rebelled, based on his own inner principles and convictions, against the very system he idealizes today, because that system was in reality corrupt!

I do not idealize the Soviet Union. But compared to National Socialism, Bolshevism was the lesser of two evils. This is because the latter was pan-European in its approach (Stalin was a Germanophile, Hitler hated Slavs) while the former was pan-Germanic (to the detriment of the Slavs). Also, do you think that under Hitler's regime, the freedom of artistic expression was guaranteed? I do not think so! For example, one of the greatest of Germany's expressionist poets, Gottfried Benn, was an early defender of NS, but later on he was denounced as a "pervert" and his poems were banned. Simply because some ignorant SS-freaks could not comprehend the immaculate nature of Benn's opus. That just shows that even in the "benevolent" NS-regime, gratefulness was not something that was very prevalent. Great idea with the awards, Kamerad! Please read the following essay of mine on the topic of art:

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=10180

For Race and Socialism!

Constantin

[Social-Nationalist]

Okay, I will comment further, just to try to prove to you that I am not trying to ignore you:

It is interesting how you chose to comment on the only point I made which wasn't used to debunk the alleged link between communism and the jews....

Ha! As if the horror of 20 million murders

Conjecture, number one. Post well structured arguments thus facilitating intelligent and spirited discussion, even unto debate, on the issues at hand. So far you have chosen not to adopt such an approach, being content to post contextless fragments.

[Social-Nationalist]

the utter misery in which the Russian folk lived under Bolshevism

Unfounded, baseless assumption.

Bogus conspiracy theories about a "fifth column" aside,

which are taken seriously by qualified authorities.

it was fundamentally the dire poverty of the people and bankruptcy of the economy that drove the CCCP into the arms of hooligan capitalism.

Conjecture, number 2.

Bolshevism and capitalism are the two sides of the same Jewish coin... because it's all about the coin, fundamentally and ultimately, in both systems.

socialism is the realised potential within the capitalist system. so yes, socialism is on a sense one side of the same coin - but the coin is by no means jewish. You have repeatedly failed to substantiate this thesis.

I wonder what would have happened to an intellectual like yourself under the Soviet regime once you realized you were trapped in a system of venal, ignorant apparachniks. What if your ideas and intelligence were suppressed and you knew only a few individuals you could respect, and not even for their political beliefs but for basic human qualities like courage and honesty? What would you have done?

Art was proletarianised. As Mao Zedong said: "In the world today all culture, all literature and art belong to definite classes and are geared to definite political lines. There is in fact no such thing as art for art's sake, art that stands above classes, art that is detached from or independent of politics. Proletarian literature and art are part of the whole proletarian revolutionary cause; they are, as Lenin said, cogs and wheels in the whole revolutionary machine."

[Quisling]

Conjecture, number one. Post well structured arguments thus facilitating intelligent and spirited discussion, even unto debate, on the issues at hand. So far you have chosen not to adopt such an approach, being content to post contextless fragments.

[sarcasm] T-T-That's me. Mister avoid-the-issues. Sorry I cannot match your amazing IQ [a nurse dropped me on my head when I was a baby, ya see. A tragedy, really...].




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[Siegmund]

For example, one of the greatest of Germany's expressionist poets, Gottfried Benn, was an early defender of NS, but later on he was denounced as a "pervert" and his poems were banned. Simply because some ignorant SS-freaks could not comprehend the immaculate nature of Benn's opus.

I must confess I cannot comprehend it either. Here is a vivid example of Benn's disgusting necromantic obsession, his eroticization of physical annihilation in its most grotesque form:

Nigger Bride

Then the blond neck of a white woman
lay bedded on dark bloody cushions.
The sun stormed in her hair
and licked along her light thighs
and kneeled at her brownish breasts,
not yet distorted by vice or birth.
Beside her a nigger, eyes and forehead
shredded by a horse's hoof, digging
two toes of his dirty left foot
into her little white ear.
Yet she lay asleep like a bride:
at the brink of first love's joys
as on the eve of many an Ascension
of warm young blood.
Until we sank
the knife into her white throat
and cast a purple garter of dead blood
around her hips.

Negerbraut

Dann lag auf Kissen dunklen Bluts gebettet
der blonde Nacken einer weißen Frau.
Die Sonne wütete in ihrem Haar
und leckte ihr die hellen Schenkel lang
und kniete um die bräunlicheren Brüste,
noch unentstellt durch Laster und Geburt.
Ein Nigger neben ihr: durch Pferdehufschlag
Augen und Stirn zerfetzt. Der bohrte
zwei Zehen seines schmutzigen linken Fußes
ins Innere ihres kleinen weißen Ohrs.
Sie aber lag und schlief wie eine Braut:
am Saume ihres Glücks der ersten Liebe
und wie vorm Aufbruch vieler Himmelfahrten
des jungen warmen Blutes.
Bis man ihr
das Messer in die weiße Kehle senkte
und einen Purpurschurz aus totem Blut
ihr um die Hüften warf.

National Socialist art under the Third Reich specifically sought to inspire and ennoble. The artistic values embodied in this poem do not elevate the mind or spirit; rather, they stink of disease, bodily corrruption, putrefaction and death. As I wrote elsewhere on Skadi with respect to entartete Musik:

Along the way I have, to your point, found much music of inferior quality, at least by the standards of beauty I subscribe to today. Included in this category is much that I would consider artistic and fascinating but also unhealthy and even diseased. I would say that most of what was labeled by Rosenberg and a grumpy Dr. Goebbels as entartete Musik really IS degenerate based on its musical values.

For those who are interested, I have attached a PDF of some of Benn's best known work.

[Quisling]

Also, do you think that under Hitler's regime, the freedom of artistic expression was guaranteed? I do not think so!

Thankfully, the Nazis curbed junk art and re-introduced real, White art to the German people.




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[ogenoct]

National Socialist art under the Third Reich specifically sought to inspire and ennoble. The artistic values embodied in this poem do not elevate the mind or spirit

Haha! To rephrase it: National Socialist art under the Third Reich (where else was NS practiced?) specifically sought to annihilate the creative impulse of Aryan man, forcing him to subdue his creative powers into a bourgeois blueprint, so that the Fuehrer's mustache might not be animated to shake with vehement ignorance. How do pictorial representations inspire? Why not use photographs instead? Hitler, the third-rate artist, dictating the aesthetic philosophy of "his" realm. What a joke! Hitler, the third-rate military leader, starting a war and then losing it. That fits, don't you think? Down with pictures of cows and fat maidens! Obviously you have no in-depth knowledge of the Nordic (in spirit and in soul!) art movement called Expressionism, otherwise you would not have dissed one of its leading lyrical proponents (Benn) in such an undignified manner.

Constantin