On "Jewish" Bolshevism

[ogenoct]

"Jewish participation in the Russian and Bolshevik revolutions was very central, but it was not Jews who initiated the revolutionary process and directed it. They were used very extensively and were recruited by many revolutionary organizations, but they served not as 'masters but as shopkeepers and salesmen of the Russian revolution,' as Pasmanik said. A most interesting observation was made by the German Slavist Walter Biehahn, who said that 'the Russian Revolution found an excellent medium in Jewish internationalism to spread its ideas over the world so it would seem that all the Communist-Bolshevik movement proceeds from Jews.' According to Biehahn, this rule was only an optical illusion since the Russian revolution was an entirely Russian phenomenon. Biehahn wrote these lines in 1935 in Nazi Germany, and thus opposed the official Nazi interpretation of the Bolshevik revolution."

-- Mikhail Agursky, THE THIRD ROME

[Social-Nationalist]

The Jewish origins of Bolshevism and how it affected it is to me undeniable, and this stopped me from being a Bolshevik for a long time, and also finding out that Karl Marx was a Jew, and how that affected the thesis of communim. Nevertheless, in spite of all this, I think the communists were fundamentally right.

[Social-Nationalist]

I think that although Marx and some of the bolsheviks were Jews, they were rebel Jews (most Jews being capitalists) that wanted, perhaps naively, to change the greedy nature of the Jew.

[ogenoct]

I think that although Marx and some of the bolsheviks were Jews, they were rebel Jews (most Jews being capitalists) that wanted, perhaps naively, to change the greedy nature of the Jew.

Finally somebody on this forum who agrees with me! As Alexander Dugin argues: There were "good" and "bad" Jews during the Bolshevik Revolution. The good ones thought and felt (and hence were!) Russian and wanted to participate in the Bolshevik Uprising because they wanted to liberate the Russian people from the Tsarist tyranny. The "bad" Jews were the ones that thought in internationalist terms (the Trotzky variety) and essentially were the henchmen of Western capitalism. Also, even though Marx was a Jew, Engels was not, and both Marx and Engels were ardent German nationalists.

Constantin

[Social-Nationalist]

Not only is the Jewish religion is contrary to socialism and communism, but the Jews as a race are mostly endemic to the bourgeois strata of society, and their interests therefore run directly against those of communism and the bolsheviks. In Russia before the revolution, the Jews controlled 40% of the wealth, yet comprised less than two percent of the population. The bolsheviks pretty much put an end to this. Thus, to say that the Bolshevism is Jewish is preposterous.

Here are some Marxist quotations on the Jewish question, which show how Jewish interests run stark against those of the revolution:

"The influence of the Jews is more noticeable than ever. They are at the head of European capitalists. In politics many Jews are in the front rank. The press in more than one European capital is almost wholly in their hands. But while on one hand the Jews are thus beyond dispute the leaders of the plutocracy of Europe, another section of the same race form the leaders of that revolutionary propaganda which is making way against that very capitalist class represented by their own fellow Jews. Jews have held forth against those who make their living not by producing value but by trading on the differences of value. In the period we are approaching, not the slightest influence on the side of revolution will be that of the Jew." -- Comrade Hyndman, an early scientific socialist, and a contemporary of Marx and Engels.

"What is the profane basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest.

"What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money."
--Karl Marx

[Japetos]

Carl Marx was not a Jew in spirit.
He was more "Aryan" than a lot of non-Jewish White capitalists.

[Social-Nationalist]

Do you agree with me that Jewish interests - jews being the head of modern capitalism - run directly against those of socialism and communism?

[Siegmund]

Carl Marx was not a Jew in spirit.
He was more "Aryan" than a lot of non-Jewish White capitalists.

On the contrary, Marx's obsession with the control of money and capital reflect the quintessential Jewish obsession with the control of money and capital.

The argument between capitalists and marxists is ultimately an argument among Jews over strategy. Action-oriented Jews tend to favor capitalism because trading on the differences in value suits their practical temperament. Intellectual Jews tend to favor marxism because simply ordering the uses to which value may be put suits their more abstract temperament. In both systems the greatest benefits accrue to the ruling class.... the class that controls the money and capital.

As a side note, the paradox of marxism is that its practical incarnation in communism just doesn't work, which makes sense given that it is the creation of abstract thinkers with little expertise in the practical arena.

[Siegmund]

"Jewish participation in the Russian and Bolshevik revolutions was very central, but it was not Jews who initiated the revolutionary process and directed it. They were used very extensively and were recruited by many revolutionary organizations, but they served not as 'masters but as shopkeepers and salesmen of the Russian revolution,' as Pasmanik said. A most interesting observation was made by the German Slavist Walter Biehahn, who said that 'the Russian Revolution found an excellent medium in Jewish internationalism to spread its ideas over the world so it would seem that all the Communist-Bolshevik movement proceeds from Jews.' According to Biehahn, this rule was only an optical illusion since the Russian revolution was an entirely Russian phenomenon. Biehahn wrote these lines in 1935 in Nazi Germany, and thus opposed the official Nazi interpretation of the Bolshevik revolution."

-- Mikhail Agursky, THE THIRD ROME

Constantin, where does the Jew Lenin fit into the ranks of "shopkeepers and salesmen"? Oh, I know, he must have been the master shopkeeper!

Also, I would argue that far from the Russians using Jewish internationalism, Jewish internationalism used the Russians. Look at the results: decades of misery under the Bolsheviks only to be delivered up to the depredations of the capitalist system, America and Israel in the end after all. Why are you not angry at these Jewish Marxist Bolshevik hypocrites and deceivers of a proud Volk like the Russians?

[Social-Nationalist]

Lenin was not a Jew; I will deal with the rest later.