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    Exclamation The Origin of Ashkenazi Jews

    Published online 2017, Jun 21

    The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish

    Ranajit Das,1 Paul Wexler,2 Mehdi Pirooznia,3 and Eran Elhaik4,*

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    “Ashkenaz” is one of the most disputed Biblical placenames. It appears in the Hebrew Bible as the name of one of Noah's descendants (Genesis 10:3) and as a reference to the kingdom of Ashkenaz, prophesied to be called together with Ararat and Minnai to wage war against Babylon (Jeremiah 51:27). In addition to tracing AJs to the ancient Iranian lands of Ashkenaz and uncovering the villages whose names may derive from “Ashkenaz,” the partial Iranian origin of AJs, inferred by Das et al. (2016), was further supported by the genetic similarity of AJs to Sephardic Mountain Jews and Iranian Jews as well as their similarity to Near Eastern populations and simulated “native” Turkish and Caucasus populations.

    There are good grounds, therefore, for inferring that Jews who considered themselves Ashkenazic adopted this name and spoke of their lands as Ashkenaz, since they perceived themselves as of Iranian origin.

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    AJs were localized to modern-day Turkey and found to be genetically closest to Turkic, southern Caucasian, and Iranian populations, suggesting a common origin in Iranian “Ashkenaz” lands (Das et al., 2016). These findings were more compatible with an Irano-Turko-Slavic origin for AJs and a Slavic origin for Yiddish than with the Rhineland hypothesis, which lacks historical, genetic, and linguistic support (Table (Table1)1) (van Straten, 2004; Elhaik, 2013). The findings have also highlighted the strong social-cultural and genetic bonds of Ashkenazic and Iranian Judaism and their shared Iranian origins (Das et al., 2016).

    Thus far, all analyses aimed to geo-localize AJs (Behar et al., 2013, Figure 2B; Elhaik, 2013, Figure 4; Das et al., 2016, Figure 4) identified Turkey as the predominant origin of AJs, although they used different approaches and datasets, in support of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Figure (Figure1A,1A, Table Table1).1). The existence of both major Southern European and Near Eastern ancestries in AJ genomes are also strong indictors of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis provided the Greco-Roman history of the region southern to the Black Sea (Baron, 1937; Kraemer, 2010). Recently, Xue et al. (2017) applied GLOBETROTTER to a dataset of 2,540 AJs genotyped over 252,358 SNPs. The inferred ancestry profile for AJs was 5% Western Europe, 10% Eastern Europe, 30% Levant, and 55% Southern Europe (a Near East ancestry was not considered by the authors). Elhaik (2013) portrayed a similar profile for European Jews, consisting of 25–-30% Middle East and large Near Eastern–Caucasus (32–-38%) and West European (30%) ancestries. Remarkably, Xue et al. (2017) also inferred an “admixture time” of 960––-1,416 AD (≈24––-40 generations ago), which corresponds to the time AJs experienced major geographical shifts as the Judaized Khazar kingdom diminished and their trading networks collapsed forcing them to relocate to Europe (Das et al., 2016). The lower boundary of that date corresponds to the time Slavic Yiddish originated, to the best of our knowledge.
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    Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

    https://www.livescience.com/40247-as...ean-genes.html

    The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

    The article doesn't have a lot of meat in it, but I found it interesting that all Ashkenazi are at most 5th cousins.

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    There's a more recent paper on this topic: http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...l.pgen.1006644

    It concludes (in the discussion) that AJs are about 60% descended from Europeans overall.

    But why did they then consolidate their ethnicity instead of continuing to mix (themselves out of existence) ?

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    Ashkenazi derives from some spiritual heathen group.

    Ash is the tree of life and Kenaz means something like 'knowledge of.... '

    It propably identified a group of wisdom keepers, a school or spiritually advanced heathen.

    I doubt that the people using this name are the descendents of this group, it seems more it was appropriates because of the status it carries.

    Due to the disharmony of their bodies and especially faces they seem not to belong to a special race.

    Europeans Whites Aryans or however you call us are more harmonious and beautiful.

    The standards if beauty are expressed by Fibonacci numbers and the number Phi (1.618). One finds thar relation in a high degree in the faces and body of us. (az well as in architecture, cosmos, plants and numerous other fields ).

    Due to the fact that Ashkenazi have a very low degree of this numbers it is doubtful that they are Aryan.
    Somebody screwed around and produced a non-harmnious mixture.

    In medievual and very ancient times the number phi and fibonacci numbers where used excessively to create beautiful things and anything complying to higher degree of phi is considered beautiful.

    Also this number contains more than just beauty, it has certain effects. Thats why for example pyramids are constructed by it.

    It seems to have been the math of the creator (if there was any). And thus the original Ashkenazi kept this knowledge and the use of it.

    As Jews most likely use part of that knowledge as traditioned in their 'holy' books, but of their appearance as not complying with it, I assume they got it by illicit ways to use it to gain power.

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    Yes and no.

    But would be nice to meet you sometime
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