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    By the way, to make the map in the first post I used the ancestry statistics from the 1990 Census. If we use the ancestry statistics from the 2000 Census, the German-American map would look this:



    (Some German-Americans grumbled after the Census 2000 ancestry statistics were released, claiming they had been undercounted. There were nearly 60 million German-Americans according to the 1990 Census, but the 2000 Census said there were only 45 million. Clearly, there wasn't a population loss of 15 million in a single decade, and clearly the Census had undercounted the Germans in 2000. Nevertheless, I think this map is probaby a little more accurate for the state percentages, and that is why I am posting this new one)



    Quote Originally Posted by TisaAnne
    Though they did not have children involved in WW2, my German relatives did not resent America's participation against Germany in the war effort...
    Most German-Americans justifed the war by thinking of it not as a fight against Germany, but a fight against Nazism. For example, the famous American folk singer Pete Seeger sang a song called "Round and Round Hitler's grave" in 1942, and it got lots of radio time. He sang "Round and Round Hitler's grave", not "Round and Round Germany's grave". The interesting thing about this is that Seeger is, after all, a German surname.

    Quote Originally Posted by TisaAnne
    My grandpa fought in WW2, and he was a first generation American (his parent's immigrated from Germany in 1912). He was not allowed to fight in Europe, only on the Pacific side because he was considered "potentially compromising".
    This is very interesting. But I've heard of other first-generation German-Americans and first-generation Italians who fought in Europe on the Allied side under Ike's leadership (another intereting note: Eisenhower was also German descent...).

    So your grandfather was born here but they still considered him potentially subversive? Usually they only did that to foreign-born people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gr.D.
    After this you can germanize Europe and even Russians with bear faces.
    Bear faces???

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDas
    Most German-Americans justifed the war by thinking of it not as a fight against Germany, but a fight against Nazism.
    So how did they feel about Hamburg, Dresden, Bromberg and the Sudetenland expulsions? They certainly didn't complain much...

    For example, the famous American folk singer Pete Seeger sang a song called "Round and Round Hitler's grave" in 1942, and it got lots of radio time. He sang "Round and Round Hitler's grave", not "Round and Round Germany's grave". The interesting thing about this is that Seeger is, after all, a German surname.
    Pete Seeger was a kike. :eyes

    This is very interesting. But I've heard of other first-generation German-Americans and first-generation Italians who fought in Europe on the Allied side under Ike's leadership (another intereting note: Eisenhower was also German descent...).
    Ike was also part Jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Ike was also part Jewish.
    And a war criminal who was responsible for the deaths of one million German POWs (after the war had already ended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    So how did they feel about Hamburg, Dresden, Bromberg and the Sudetenland expulsions? They certainly didn't complain much...
    What are you talking about? There certainly was a lot of discontent in the US civilian population about those things, especially among Amercans with German ancestry. American newspapers and Amercan civilians were very critical of the civilian casualties in Germany as a result of Amercan & Brtish bombing and naturally the German-Americans were even more oppossed to these heavy-handed actions. But the larger picture was that the war had to be won. Remember that the American people supported the war because in their minds it was a war against the evils of Fascist tyranny and a war in defense of the four freedoms. They certainy didn't support the war because they hated Germans, since three in ten Americans had German ancestry in those days, after all.

    Pete Seeger was a kike.
    He certainly wasn't

    Ike was also part Jewish.
    According to anti-semites like yourself, everyone that you don't like was/is "part Jewish" ... Eisenhower's family was Pennsylvania German, not Jewish. He was a baptized, practicing Presbyterian, he was never Jewish
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    First off, I found your map very interesting, and I applaud your work on it.

    However, I think there's a fundamental problem with gathering ethnic data in the United States, and that is that at least half of these people identifying as Germans are not 100% so, and most 50% or less. I'd hazard a guess that most German-Americans are descendents of immigrants who left after the Revolutions in the late 1840's. Descendents of these immigrants are, for the most part, only going to be purely German in ancestry if their family never left the German-American enclave that it immigrated to.

    For example, I have a German ancestor who immigrated in 1848 to Newark, NJ, which soon become a heavily German city with a distinct German section. His son stayed in the city, and thus married another child of a German immigrant. However, his grandson was born in a more mobile era, and married a wife of Irish descent from a few counties away. Three Generations later, I'm only about 14% German.

    My point is, you can't really make generalizations about German-Americans except in those areas in the Midwest where the majority of whites are of German descent. These are the areas in which the families are more likely to have never left the farms they first bought for themselves. In the rest of the country, I doubt most people identifying with the German ethnic group are even close to 100% German, and their "Germanness" certainly has very little bearing on how they live their lives today. It's basically nothing more than a conversation piece.

    I have to repeat though, very interesting chart.

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    Of the 58 million people who identified themselves as German descent in the Census, 23 million reported they were only of German descent ("single ancestry"); 22.5 million said that their main ancestry was German (“first ancestry”); 12.5 million said they are minority German descent (“second ancestry”).

    So you're right Narcissus, only about 40% of self-described Germans reported having only German descent in the Census. Depending on where you are in the country, this 40% figure can be significantly higher or significantly lower. For example, the figure is probably higher in the upper midwest, but I'd bet it is significantly lower in the deep South
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    "I'd hazard a guess that most German-Americans are descendents of immigrants who left after the Revolutions in the late 1840's" You're right again:

    In the year 1800, there were 350,000 Germans in America. There were 5 million total Americans that year, so Germans represented 7% of the total American population. Slaves accounted for 18% of the population; so the free population was about 4.1 million. Germans represented 9% of the free population. A few decades later, Germans started immigrating to America in large numbers:

    German Immigration to America by decade (out of the total population of Germany that decade; percentage of the total population that emigrated to America)
    1830s - ...175,000 (30 million; 0.6%)
    1840s - ...400,000 (33 million; 1.2%)
    1850s - ...900,000 (35 million; 2.5%)
    1860s - ...800,000 (38 million; 2.1%)
    1870s - ...750,000 (42 million; 1.8%)
    1880s - 1,500,000 (45 million; 3.3%)
    1890s - ...550,000 (49 million; 1.2%)
    1900s - ...400,000 (57 million; 0.7%)
    1910s - ...200,000 (65 million; 0.3%)
    Total - .5,675,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDas
    He certainly wasn't
    If he wasn't, then he certainly behaved like one:

    "His never ending battle against injustice led to his being blacklisted during the McCarthy era, celebrated during the turbulent '60s, and welcomed at union rallies throughout his life. His tireless efforts regarding global concerns such as environmentalism, population growth, and racial equality have earned him the respect and friendship of such political heroes asMartin Luther King, Jr., Woody Guthrie, and Cesar Chavez, and the generations of children who first learned to sing and clap to Seeger's Folkways recordings must number in the millions. Rising above all of Seeger's political ideals and his passion for authentic folk music is his clear voice and chiming banjo which both sing out with a clarity that rings true."

    http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Pete%20S...page=biography

    Jewish Children Songs and Games (1957): Ruth Rubin and Pete Seeger CD

    http://www.worldmusicstore.com/index...OD&ProdID=2787

    According to anti-semites like yourself, everyone that you don't like was/is "part Jewish" ... Eisenhower's family was Pennsylvania German, not Jewish. He was a baptized, practicing Presbyterian, he was never Jewish
    I don't care what in what denomination he was baptized. A splash of water does not change one's genetic heritage.


    "God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944)

    Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war.

    Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible.

    "...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater."

    "Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of German men, women and children. "

    "Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible Swedish Jew."

    Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower's Jewish background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his fellow officers."

    http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/iblog...3/E1794399476/

    http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

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