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    Exclamation A New Forum for German Nationalists

    Hail everybody,

    i hope it is okay when if I do a little advertising for a new german forum for all the right wing people of germany.
    It's called "Ariovist Forum". At the time it is very small, but it will change. Come and visit it!

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    Thank you for this information. I have been looking for a German speaking nationalist forum since Thiazi Forum and some other German forums have been closed because of persecution. So I will have a look, what does not mean to leave Skadi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naturgewalt View Post
    Hail everybody,

    i hope it is okay when if I do a little advertising for a new german forum for all the right wing people of germany.
    It's called "Ariovist Forum". At the time it is very small, but it will change. Come and visit it!

    Best regards
    Naturgewalt
    We do not recommend to run a German-language forum on the WWW at this time.

    There is a good reason why nearly all German-language forums have closed their gates. And it usually wasn't voluntarily, but due to police raids and criminal prosecution of operators, moderators, and members. Germany is not a free country.

    What precautions have you taken?

    Why don't you run it on the Darknet and have it routed to the WWW via an .onion.link domain? That's probably the only way to keep yourself and potential members relatively safe.
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    I'm going to second what Thorburn said, except that I believe the "relatively" safe should have additionally been bolded and underlined, since there have recently been claims about the Tor browser being funded by US secret services. And essentially that's what most people use to access the darknet and/or actually to browse relatively anonymously, especially if they can't afford a VPN service.

    If you're going to run a German-language forum, especially if you do so in the 'open WWW', you also need to take close heed to essentially categorically exclude what is deemed as 'further right-wing' than the AfD, quite essentially because of what's happened to other German forums. And the legal danger isn't coming from Germany, despite Maas's new NetzDG. The real legal danger is coming from Austria, people have actually gone to jail in Austria for no more than funding Nationalist forums and posting thereupon, in some cases even posting things that by their own accord wouldn't have warranted prosecution, but ended it huge sentences because they were voiced on particular platforms.

    And we positively don't think it's worth if our membership goes to jail for something they've said on the internet.
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    So, even if it is hosted in the US or any other place that allows free speech the German and Austrian governments can prosecute people who post on these sites if they are found out? What happens when say a US citizen post on such a forum and then travels to said countries? Are these people subject to prosecution also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    I'm going to second what Thorburn said, except that I believe the "relatively" safe should have additionally been bolded and underlined, since there have recently been claims about the Tor browser being funded by US secret services. And essentially that's what most people use to access the darknet and/or actually to browse relatively anonymously, especially if they can't afford a VPN service.
    It was not developed by the US intelligence community, but by Darpa. But the same potential problems still remain. To secure relative online security one should always take multiple meassures and not count on one thing to do it for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    So, even if it is hosted in the US or any other place that allows free speech the German and Austrian governments can prosecute people who post on these sites if they are found out? What happens when say a US citizen post on such a forum and then travels to said countries? Are these people subject to prosecution also?
    That's a good question, Spearbrave. I can only surmise that since American citizens travelling abroad leave whatever actual protection their BOR provides for them back in the States and U.S. territories such as the Virgin Islands, for example.

    If the site server is located in the USA, it seems to me that being prosecuted (persecuted) by a 'foreign' power would be less likely to occur for an America citizen than if the 'offending' server was based in a foreign nation.

    The U.S. Consulate Office located in the foreign nation would also provide legal protection for the American citizen as well in such cases.

    If the American citizen continues posting on such an "offensive" site while outside the States where such a site falls under the auspices of foreign legal jurisdiction, I think such action would be a bit foolish to begin with... And, yes, the authorities would be able to determine when and where such activity occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    So, even if it is hosted in the US or any other place that allows free speech the German and Austrian governments can prosecute people who post on these sites if they are found out?
    Yes, that has already happened in Germany and Austria. German and Austrian citizens who ran or posted on websites located on US servers were sentenced to prison. German authorities warned that US or abroad is no real strategy. And especially with German sites, they want to make sure no Thaizi 2.0 rises. So they warned against it.

    What is more interesting is that the US authorities cooperate in those cases, even if there's free speech. Of course Holocaust denial & co isn't illegal in the US, but they produce some other pretext, like "terrorism" or "copyright infringement", in order to get the providers to give them the data.

    What happens when say a US citizen post on such a forum and then travels to said countries? Are these people subject to prosecution also?
    It really depends. Is that person posting in German or in English? Are they German born or dual citizens, linked to Germany somehow? Are they involved in moderation or administration? Are they a regular, posting a lot, is their material making an impact? etc. Are they posting related to WWII, NS, the Holocaust (especially the latter)? Is there evidence they surfed/posted from Germany during their visits?

    Theoretically, they can issue a warrant and when they visit Germany or even the EU, since there are no real borders anymore, they could get apprehended.

    David Irving, UK, was arrested in Austria in 2005 based on a warrant issued in 1989 for some speeches he gave on the Holocaust. Other similar cases:

    Gerald Fredrick Töben, Australian citizen. He was arrested once in Germany in 93, convicted and served prison time. Then in 2008, he was flying from the US to Dubai, with a layover in the UK. He was detained at Heathrow Airport under a European arrest warrant and Germany wanted to extradite him. His trip was interrupted and he had to pay bail and deal with the bureaucracy of the whole case, eventhough in the end Germany withdrew their appeal. The interesting fact in this case was that he didn't publish anything in either Germany or the UK, but in Australia.

    Monika Schaefer, Canadian, author of the YT video “Sorry Mom, I was wrong about the Holocaust”. She was in Germany visiting her brother and attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer on trial for Holocaust denial.

    Richard Nelson Williamson, English Catholic bishop. Swedish television broadcast an interview recorded earlier at the SSPX's seminary in Bavaria, Germany, where he doubted gas chambers and the numbers of the Holocaust. He was judged in absentia in Germany and fined 10.000 EUR, which was later reduced.

    I'm sure there are others less known, these are famous because of Holocaust denial and media coverage. Of course that was back when Internet witch hunts were less common, nowadays people get arrested for joking on social media, liking posts or being "offensive". Some people in the Thiazi case were given long sentences because of the wide sharing effect of the Internet, some guy got 7 years on his first offense.

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    Yes, Germany has no free speech. And copying the rules, etc. from Thiazi already puts a target on its back. One of the bigger Thiazi problems was that it fell too much into NS. Avatars, wallpapers, RAC music, it was clear it wasn't going to last too long.
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