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    Finland Under Swedish Rule?

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    First, to help you decipher the Title of this post, "Österbotten" is Swedish for Ostrobothnia or East Bothnia, which is not currently available among the possible alternative choices for the "Province" item of the profile -- I hope this may be rectified in the future. So, for the time being, I chose West Bothnia, Swedish "Västerbotten", which is to the west of Ostrobothnia, across the sea, in Sweden. Finland used to be part of Sweden, and among my many ambitions is to restore it as part of the Swedish "Reich" (that is "rike" in Swedish, "rijk" in Dutch, "Reich" in German, but conspicuously missing from the English language, except in the form of "Reich", and then typically only in reference to the German Empire (which I also intend to restore, and then the British empire over which the sun shall not set)).

    I hope I am not being too controversial. I do not mean to cause offence to anyone, but rather trying to be open and frank. The alternative is to be vague and evasive or outright deny things, and that is to walk the path of political correctness, which was never my style, and I try to keep it that way. That said, I know how to be diplomatic, and I try to be, as needed. As always with a new "audience" or readership, such as when joining another forum, it takes a while to adjust and find the right balance between conflicting objectives. A good rule of thumb is:
    "If in doubt, tell the truth."

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    I think Finland should remain Finnish and as Finland. Finns are also very proudly Finnish, they are not looking to be anything but that. I don't agree that Finland should be part of Sweden directly, unless you mean in a political/economic/defense union but otherwise staying separate from each other.

    Why do you find it a "good" thing that you have not encountered the word "jews" here? It surely exists anyway and a race which wishes to destroy ours often is and should be talked about. Sweden's bonnier media is owned and controlled by them, for example. It is the same everywhere else.

    As for your question about users, they are almost all bots, indexing bots or otherwise spam bots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fjaran View Post
    I think Finland should remain Finnish and as Finland. Finns are also very proudly Finnish, they are not looking to be anything but that. I don't agree that Finland should be part of Sweden directly, unless you mean in a political/economic/defense union but otherwise staying separate from each other.
    I respect your opinion, but I meant what I wrote and stand by it. To elaborate on the topic, however, I actually don't care much to which political power (ie. country/reich/nation/state) most of the geographical area Finland belongs. I care about my home town/county and region, and so far as these parts are concerned, I stand fast, but the rest is negotiable. Moreover, I think that it most likely would be a bad thing if Finland were to be ruled by contemporary Sweden in the shape and form that it currently exists, because I consider it (Sweden) to be corrupt and degenerated in so many respects, such as, for example, that political correctness runs more rampant in Sweden than almost any other western European country. I was speaking of a future Sweden, and at the same time, a Sweden as it used to be, in its glory days of past -- when it encompassed Finland. Perhaps most of my political ambitions are to put right (what I consider to be) historical mishappenings. The defeat of Sweden by Tsarist Russia in the war of 1808-09 is an example; that is the war in which Finland was lost, and a part of the Napoleonic Wars.

    In passing, maybe I should note that I'm not really angry at Napoleon. I rarely engage in playing the blame game, which is a salient aspect of my personality, and is in contrast to what appears to be most of humanity at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albert View Post
    I respect your opinion, but I meant what I wrote and stand by it. To elaborate on the topic, however, I actually don't care much to which political power (ie. country/reich/nation/state) most of the geographical area Finland belongs. I care about my home town/county and region, and so far as these parts are concerned, I stand fast, but the rest is negotiable. Moreover, I think that it most likely would be a bad thing if Finland were to be ruled by contemporary Sweden in the shape and form that it currently exists, because I consider it (Sweden) to be corrupt and degenerated in so many respects, such as, for example, that political correctness runs more rampant in Sweden than almost any other western European country. I was speaking of a future Sweden, and at the same time, a Sweden as it used to be, in its glory days of past -- when it encompassed Finland. Perhaps most of my political ambitions are to put right (what I consider to be) historical mishappenings. The defeat of Sweden by Tsarist Russia in the war of 1808-09 is an example; that is the war in which Finland was lost, and a part of the Napoleonic Wars.
    If you don't mind...I would like to comment on this. And bit what fjaran wróte earlier.

    It is true that loosing Finland to Russia was hard bitter hit/moment for Sweden. It even ended Sweden's great era in European history (and they never recovered on it). They hired a new king from central Europe (as earlier was died without offsrpings). That new king was hired to fight/win Finland back...but that ''pussy'' (as he was nominated to king)...never tried that.

    But today? I wonder how many Swedish would really like to get Finland back? And why? Only for nostalgy reasons? 200 years is long period for that (= many generations). Plus Sweden have been lucky to avoid both WW1 and WW2 (= their present location is quite ''perfect''). I wonder would they like to share European's longest land border with Russia?

    And Finns? They would never ever accept (again) to be 2. class citizens in new Great Sweden. So would Swedish be ready for bilingual country like Canada? Again I doubt that. And last issue ... Finns would like to be 100% sure that Swedish would be ready defense whole country (and not only present Sweden) in any possible crises. Again...I wonder how this would really be.

    Only economical point of view? I think it would work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnish Swede View Post
    If you don't mind...I would like to comment on this. And bit what fjaran wróte earlier.

    It is true that loosing Finland to Russia was hard bitter hit/moment for Sweden. It even ended Sweden's great era in European history (and they never recovered on it). They hired a new king from central Europe (as earlier was died without offsrpings). That new king was hired to fight/win Finland back...but that ''pussy'' (as he was nominated to king)...never tried that.

    But today? I wonder how many Swedish would really like to get Finland back? And why? Only for nostalgy reasons? 200 years is long period for that (= many generations). Plus Sweden have been lucky to avoid both WW1 and WW2 (= their present location is quite ''perfect''). I wonder would they like to share European's longest land border with Russia?

    And Finns? They would never ever accept (again) to be 2. class citizens in new Great Sweden. So would Swedish be ready for bilingual country like Canada? Again I doubt that. And last issue ... Finns would like to be 100% sure that Swedish would be ready defense whole country (and not only present Sweden) in any possible crises. Again...I wonder how this would really be.

    Only economical point of view? I think it would work well.
    As a Suedophone, how do you get along with Finnish speakers? Do you live next to each other with minimal interaction each minding each other's business, or do you often meet? I can imagine you went to a Swedish-speaking school and mainly if not exclusively have/had Swedish-speaking friends. Do you also often visit Sweden?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielion View Post
    As a Suedophone, how do you get along with Finnish speakers? Do you live next to each other with minimal interaction each minding each other's business, or do you often meet? I can imagine you went to a Swedish-speaking school and mainly if not exclusively have/had Swedish-speaking friends. Do you also often visit Sweden?
    As a young girl, I have not faced any real aggression from majority (ethnic Finns) side. But I don't have friends among of them either.

    Yes, I visit in Sweden quite often. Half of my relatives lives there (being Swedish).

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    I think that Finland should remain separate due to current history and differing language group. Annexing certain regions can spark much ethnic resentments among the locals much like Silesia. Fins may not desire a heavier Germanic presence as we share a more pro-German bias. Finland also provides a good "buffer" to Russia from a military perspective since they dealt with Russians in past wars with some success.

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    Like I posted above....I someway agree ... even if it sounds very sad for us (Finnish Swedes) . As that will also ''seal'' our destiny. Our % has gone down all the time in last 200 years time (then Finland has been separated from Sweden). Maybe all of us will finally move to live in Åland then there are only some x thousends left? Sad for Finland too ... as very many really important ''Finn'' has actually been Finnish Swedes.

    Of course, if we think Swedes (and only racewise); they will face much more pressure from their immigrants/refugees than they would face from Finns. Plus in reality, quite many Swedes have some 10 - 17% of Finns genes .... and those are more a less ''ancients'', not the results of 700 years time (11th century to 18th century) then those two countries were together.

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    The irony is how Finland is actually ethnically related to Sweden and Norway as well as Russia, via Lapland, on one hand, but also Estonia and Hungary on the other. It's further ironic how Finland went from Swedish land, to Aaland being a land of Finland. Personally, I believe that Sven, Suomi and Saami are all regional variants of the same Bothnian name, differentiated by names like Goth, Finn and Lapp. Due to the bilingual bedrock to Finland, Finns likewise share bonds with the rest of Scandinavian folks, also Germanic types in general. Finland is decently Indo-European, even as Latvia and Lithuania have the same Uralic genes.

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