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    Thumbs Down Leading Member of Far-right AfD in Brandenburg Converts to Islam

    The Alternative for Germany is known for its mantra that “Islam doesn’t belong in Germany.” Now a senior member of the party in Brandenburg has caused a mini-sensation by converting to Islam.

    Arthur Wagner, who until recently sat on the AfD state legislative committee in Brandenburg, told Tagesspiegel that his conversion to Islam was “a private matter”, refusing to comment further.

    The conversion seems particularly peculiar, since only last summer Wagner was accusing Angela Merkel of making a “huge mistake” by opening Germany’s borders to refugees.

    “Germany is mutating into a different country,” he said at the time, according to Tagesspiegel.

    At the same time, Wagner is known in his hometown of Falkensee for being engaged in voluntary work to help refugees integrate into German society.

    In line with the stance taken by the AfD across Germany, the party in Brandenburg claims that the spread of Islam in Germany poses a danger to societal peace.

    On its homepage, the AfD Brandenburg writes that “Islam doesn’t belong in Germany. We see the ideology of multiculturalism as a serious threat to societal peace and cultural unity.”

    On the record though, the party is saying that it has no problem with the fact that Wagner has become a Muslim.

    “Religion is a private issue. We believe in religious freedom as stated in the constitution,” party spokesperson, Daniel Friese, told the Berliner Zeitung.

    However, the party also confirmed that Wagner was no longer a member of the executive committee.

    According to Friese, Wagner recently stepped down from the committee “for personal reasons.”
    https://www.thelocal.de/20180124/lea...verts-to-islam

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    A number of people involved in any race-nationalist environment are mentally unstable and only there because it is viewed as an "extreme" in society today, when it is actually completely natural. They could have just as easily became an extreme leftist/marxist/communist, religious fanatic, etc. Often they are weak civic/culture-nationalist types who never understood or truly felt any of this to begin with. They just want to feel like they belong to some group, whatever it is.

    I am not familiar with AfD at all, but it sounds like they are typical civic-nationalists who only speak against islam and "culture," that they simply want foreigners to "assimilate" instead. No thanks. No surprise such a person would come out of said party though.

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    The only faith belongs Germany that is the Holy Faith of Jesus Christ. Well, the "far-right" AFD has a black member, the leader of Kiel. This party is really far-right. How pity!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fjaran View Post
    I am not familiar with AfD at all, but it sounds like they are typical civic-nationalists who only speak against islam and "culture," that they simply want foreigners to "assimilate" instead. No thanks. No surprise such a person would come out of said party though.
    The AfD indeed are civic nationalists, having some non-German and even some non-European members, as long as they're not Muslim. They only oppose Islamization, but not consistently against immigration. Even their opposition to Islamization is more on Zionist/Neocon civic nationalist grounds and not truly ethno-nationalist grounds. The AfD is openly pro-Israel and apologetic about "the holocaust" and "anti-Semitism":

    https://www.jns.org/far-right-afd-pa...ws-and-israel/

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathe...-jewish-state/

    The AfD is led by Alice Weidel, a former Goldman Sachs banker:
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/24/...ht-to-victory/


    Both positions are treacherous, as it gate-keeps away from the central role of Jews in the Kalergi Plan and the migrations, as well as Goldman Sachs being one of the international banks notorious for looting Deutschland. They still consent to let Israel drain Germany out of billions each year and give it military aid in perpetual guilt for World War II. At least some of the migrants (but a small minority) do come from countries destabilized by Israeli-inspired wars, so by aligning with Israel AfD would actually enable the very mass-immigration of Muslims they claim to oppose.

    It seems that these "far-right" parties, to be "acceptable", adopt this basic PC position: Oppose mass-immigration of Muslims on civic nationalist grounds but never ethno-nationalist grounds. Support of Israel and opposition to Islamization is "acceptable", but opposition to subversion of both Jews and Muslims is "not acceptable". Unfortunately, these "far-right" parties in Europe, for the most part, accept this dialectic.

    Nevertheless, at the lower level there seems to be some sincere AfD members, its just unfortunate that such a pro-Israel policy seems to be the only "acceptable" political outlet for opposing Islamization and the migrants. Björn Höcke seems to be one of the most sane voices within the AfD:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean_Jobst View Post
    The AfD indeed are civic nationalists, having some non-German and even some non-European members, as long as they're not Muslim. They only oppose Islamization, but not consistently against immigration. Even their opposition to Islamization is more on Zionist/Neocon civic nationalist grounds and not truly ethno-nationalist grounds. The AfD is openly pro-Israel and apologetic about "the holocaust" and "anti-Semitism":
    ....
    It may depend on to whom you are speaking in the AFD, but "Civic Nationalist" may be a good description of what they are. On the other hand some members may go in a folkish direction, even if they don't openly advocate this.

    For the sake of interest the German internal secret service "Verfassungsschutz" declares organisations that are supposedly undemocratic to be "extremists". But over the years they more and more included people and organisations on the basis of them only accepting Germans as Germans and hence potential citizens. What that means is that over the years the goal posts of what is accepted as normative within politics has been shifted dramatically to the left. This can also be seen by the acceptance of former Communists like Angela Merkel and Anetta Kahane.

    As a matter of interest the party traditionally representing the left in German Parliament, the SPD, was once upon a time at least civic Nationalist as well.









    The same would apply to almost any other party in Germany. Interestingly the NSDAP has been condemned almost exclusively for it's Nationalism and perhaps decreasingly for being an authoritarian party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    It may depend on to whom you are speaking in the AFD, but "Civic Nationalist" may be a good description of what they are. On the other hand some members may go in a folkish direction, even if they don't openly advocate this.
    Very true. No doubt there are some more sincere, folkish people at the rank and file level, but perhaps they see the AfD as their only outlet. I know both from my relatives back in Deutschland, and from my own visits back there how draconian the legislation is, so I can't fault the rank-and-file who have little to work with even while I absolutely believe in calling out the traitors at the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    For the sake of interest the German internal secret service "Verfassungsschutz" declares organisations that are supposedly undemocratic to be "extremists". But over the years they more and more included people and organisations on the basis of them only accepting Germans as Germans and hence potential citizens. What that means is that over the years the goal posts of what is accepted as normative within politics has been shifted dramatically to the left. This can also be seen by the acceptance of former Communists like Angela Merkel and Anetta Kahane.
    Unfortunately, true. Even the slightest show of any German pride, no matter how innocent, is enough to be suspected of "far-right". Certainly, the CDU may be "rightist" in certain economic or social views (and even that is debatable), but in its anti-German policies and acceptance of the former Communist Merkel, its swung to this "leftist" position. I say "leftist" but its more Marxist than traditional leftist, which doesn't necessarily have to be anti-folkish whereas Marxism inherently is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    As a matter of interest the party traditionally representing the left in German Parliament, the SPD, was once upon a time at least civic Nationalist as well.
    The historic post-war SPD leader Kurt Schumacher was notorious for his nationalistic positions which would definitely be dismissed as "far-right" nowadays.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    The same would apply to almost any other party in Germany. Interestingly the NSDAP has been condemned almost exclusively for it's Nationalism and perhaps decreasingly for being an authoritarian party.
    Because then they would have to hold a mirror to themselves and their own authoritarianism. Another reason is that, if they did critique it for its authoritarianism, that would raise doubts about their dogma of collective German "guilt" and "responsibility".

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    I was quite hopeful in the beginning, that AfD would be at least the stepstone to break open this orwellian silence in politics, mainly due to Höcke and also Gauland's speeches at the Pegida demonstrations, but since they try to kick Höcke out of the party (the topic is still not set), with learning about Weidel's homosexual relation and being a Goldman Sachs shill (no one stops working for Goldman Sachs, ever, it's a secret order/loge which one can't just quit working for), and now a moslem convert... they're deconstructing themselves before they even got really started.

    On the other hand, Weidel does give speeches and writes articles with stuff no one ever dared to mention ever since Hitler (namely this article by Weidel), she crushed the nonsense Elysée treaty thing completely in parliament, actually, incredibly great. Knowing however, that she's probably sharing the table with Merkel in Valhalla or Parcival loge, while posing as something entirely different in public... controlled opposition, same thing, different wrapping.

    I hope Höcke gets out of this mess and dont know... one more party? Bullshit. Dont know, some grasroot movement like IB and start all over. Together with Petr Bystron and a few other individuals. The AfD as party is no longer a real hope, not beyond being a stepstone. That purpose they already served, and maybe can serve a little longer with riling up the parliament left (CDU, SPD, Linke, Grüne... all the same anyway) just for entertainment...

    Think I havent watched so many parliament debates the last 10 years over as I did in recent weeks LOL.
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    No surprise there. Although there are good people in the AfD, on the whole it's a more PC party than the NPD used to be. They want to be more mainstream, and being mainstream means watering down principles. They are also supporters of Israel and zionist/neocon, like those Brussels Journal people. I made a thread about it some time ago:

    The AfD is a Politically Correct Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Out of Germania View Post
    No surprise there. Although there are good people in the AfD, on the whole it's a more PC party than the NPD used to be. They want to be more mainstream, and being mainstream means watering down principles. They are also supporters of Israel and zionist/neocon, like those Brussels Journal people. I made a thread about it some time ago:

    The AfD is a Politically Correct Party
    That at least applies to some of its members that I investigated. Eating chalk doesn't really seem to be that helpful.
    But still this is gonna blur the lines, making it more difficult for the PC parties to act as a block. PC hegemony is definitely under threat, if I read conversations on the net.

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