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Thread: Germanic Urheimat Among the Goths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Briton View Post
    From Eupedia (probably the most reputable active source on this entire field):

    "The principal Proto-Germanic branch of the Indo-European family tree is R1b-S21 (a.k.a. U106 or M405). This haplogroup is found at high concentrations in the Netherlands and north-west Germany. It is likely that R1b-S21 lineages expanded in this region through a founder effect during the Unetice period, then penetrated into Scandinavia around 1700 BCE (probably alongside R1a-L664), thus creating a new culture, that of the Nordic Bronze Age (1700-500 BCE). R1b-S21 would then have blended for more than a millennium with preexisting Scandinavian populations, represented by haplogroups I1, I2-L801, R1a-Z284. When the Germanic Iron Age started c. 500 BCE, the Scandinavian population had developed a truly Germanic culture and language, but was divided in many tribes with varying levels of each haplogroup. R1b-S21 became the dominant haplogroup among the West Germanic tribes, but remained in the minority against I1 and R1a in East Germanic and Nordic tribes, including those originating from Sweden such as the Goths, the Vandals and Lombards."

    In future though, if you want evidence, DIY - you can't expect me to cite everything, and certainly you don't for some of your more ridiculous claims.
    So what about the Y-Haplogroups E, I, J then? They also seem to be appearing in Germanic nations alongside R Y-Haplogroups.

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    I would only say that I, R1 and N fit in Germanic countries. The others you wrote, plus Q, have to be foreign not only to Germanic, but Europe as well.

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    The Proto-Germanic Urheimat was in North-Germany. In Scandinavia lived the Pre-Germanic Finno-Ugors. In South Germany lived the Proto-Italicus (Latins, Samnis, Sabins, etc.) and the Kelts. B.C. 100 the Goths moved to North to nowadays South-Sweden and after they moved to Noth-Poland.

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    @Wulfaz, I assume you are advancing the Mitteleuropa idea.

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