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    The whole victimhood complex is ridiculous. Poles annexed Lithuania and so, that was their Prussia. The fable of Germans betraying the Poles, is not so simple. Poles and Letts bound themselves together in order to defraud the Christian conversion. Receiving Rome rather than Constantinople was purely political, to prevent Novgorod and Kiev from easily assimilating them. Of course, this was engineered by France and Italy, because the entire Slavic world would have been hard to exert influence upon, without much leverage.

    Only spiritual authority could reach behind Germany, from Southwest Europe, but only so much of that world could be impressed upon. Poland was the digestible slice of Slavia that was convinced in Italian allegiance as securing their bid for sovereignty on German soil. So, from the start, Poland is an artificial land, assembled by the Mediterranean powers since Carolus Magnus, for the purpose of hemming in Germans close enough for their domination by cultural imperialism, so that Germany would be transformed into a clone of theirs.

    Germans were used to spread Popery, only to be disowned once the deed was done, because of daring to assume that respect would be forthcoming. France wanted the imperial title back, but its possession by Germany only prevented the kingdom from falling apart into a hundred states at French and Polish mercies. Italy could not give the Iron Crown back to France without risking invasion across the Alps and England would not countenance imperial authority across the Channel. There was a lot of geopolitical gridlock for a long time.

    As the saying goes: "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" and this is how geography aided mutual domination of Germany, on both fronts. French ambition is easy to gauge and need no exposure, but Polish intentions are more devious and deceitful. Polaks may have innovated "gas-lighting" and the current plague of "crybullies". Social justice warrior snowflakes have a bit of Jesuitical casuistry to them and Poland is their perfect battlefield, so there was some kind of fallout in Germany from having John Paul II in Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Köenigsberg is a German city. It's actually ridiculous that Poles beg for WWII reparations when millions of Prussians were forced out of their lands and massacred. Frankly, I have no sympathy for them.
    There is no reason why Köenigsberg or Kaliningrad could not flourish as a Free City microstate. Poor Kosovo? I've never cared one iota for the Balkans, but the Baltic is a different story. Between the two of them, we all know which has more merit for independent existence. As for Polish requests for welfare and not acknowledging their own genocide in concert with atrocities committed by Russians, it takes a special kind of sadism to have that gall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    Indeed. The recent frivolous "reparation claims" seem to be some revenge on Merkel though. Given that under her leadership the repopulation agenda is pushed.
    Merkel's Slavic ancestry may be the right amount of allegiance the Poles could count on, along with the guilt trips in the rest of her background. Polish supremacists seem confident of her loyalty, regardless of the Bundesrepublik's actual interests. Angela has a conflict of interest, they have assured me. Her attachment to Cultural Marxism, through the human trafficking of Mohammedan subversives, is undoubtedly occasioned by that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Exactly. Given that this is a Germanic forum, there should be an inherent Germanic bias. Hardly anyone here cares about the Poles and their version of "historical truth" or "correctness". So what the Poles would like or dislike should be irrelevant.

    I've also dealt with Poles who tried to appropriate Prussian or even Baltic heritage to overcome their complexes. At the same time, they exaggerate Slavic substratum in Eastern Germany. Their agenda is to deconstruct pan-Germanicism and Germanic preservation. One of the biggest problems of modern-day Germanics is that they care too much about the feelings of other ethnicities, we always have to care about not offending others first. So much that we sold our identity and are in danger to perish. We should put our own people first, it's the only way.
    Yes, I have dealt with Poles and Byelorussians who leech off of Prussia and Lithuania for their identities, but then insist all of Germany East of the Elbe belongs to them. I have no interest in arguing over the ethnic affinities of Copernicus and Nietzsche, but I have a feeling that the complexes you refer to resemble similar disputes. It's humourous to note that it is retarded fools such as these, who are leading Germans by the nose. I have no interest coddling identity disorder as policy.

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    I don't understand why Nazi Germany did not just defend the facts on the ground as they were, regarding Volksdeutsche lebensraum. If the Sudetenland, Polish Corridor and Danzig were all that were taken from the the Western Slavs, then that would be blameless. Poland and Czechoslovakia could have been merged into one government of their own, or something formulated by Moscow. This would have been a neutral pact between Ribbentrop and Molotov, without pretext for the Occupation of East Germany by Poland and Russia.

    That leads to the question of why Hungary was not made into a protectorate instead of Bohemia and why no state was secured for the Germans of Romania. The Anschluss ought to have implied those results, because those were Austrian aims. In the spirit of Austria, why were Liechtenstein, the Tyrol, German cantons of Switzerland, Alsace-Lorraine, Luxembourg and Flanders not subjected to Anschluss and the latter two not incorporated into the Netherlands? If Berlin and Amsterdam cooperated for Teutonic brotherhood, then that would be in Germany's favor. History would be on the side of Hitler if he meant what he said and did not institutionalize hypocrisy. If that is what happened, along with letting the Vichy government have the rest of France, then West Germany would not have been put under Occupation by France. De Gaulle would have remained a nobody--although he really was anyway, lol.

    Furthermore, Germany ought to have assisted Sweden and Denmark in their own dominations of Finland and Estonia, to reclaim Germanic protectorates where they were customary. This would have fought the Soviets on more honorable terms, to the point of not only Britain and America not partaking in the Occupation of West Germany, but perhaps even remaining neutral in the conflict. For all the Nordicist propaganda put out by Germany, the choice to invade and occupy Scandinavia, as with the Netherlands, only undermined everything supposedly vouched for in the name of Germanic brotherhood. This alienation wouldn't have been a real problem if it was only a case of, say, installing the Hohenzollern dynasty in Stockholm by a shotgun marriage, to oust the Francophile Bernadottes and it would have helped ensure links echoing the Hanse, because of ties with Prussia. In effect, it would be vaguely like the Vasa dynasty taking over Poland and Russia (in reverse), but in German favor even if Germans were committed to republicanism. Sweden as a consolation prize for the monarchy would be like when the Habsburgs transferred the imperial title to Vienna after the Bonapartists. Returning Schleswig to Denmark would have ensured the loyalty of Copenhagen to Berlin without a single shot.

    If Germany wished to assist Britain with Ireland, then the idea of London marching in step with Berlin would have worked, but not so much against America, because that was another anti-Germanic strategy, but for the cause of imperial designs on the uncolonized Oriental countries of China, Korea and Japan, all of which could have been partitioned between them. This would have prevented the spread of Communism and the decline of the global economy, because heavy industry would probably still be a major part of society. Scratch my back, I scratch yours.

    Germany would be a world power to rival France and Russia, Poland would have disappeared from concern, while Britain would not have lost control either. Perhaps Germany and Britain could have orchestrated an Aryan revival on the Subcontinent favorable to a more pro-Western establishment there in which South Asians wouldn't have had occasion to leave for Britain, but were to be propped up for imperial interests (even if the Indians had self-rule in Dominion status) which would have utterly annihilated Islam and also forced the implosion of Communism much sooner. This would have not led to any anti-German propaganda by Jews, because Israel would benefit from the occasion to defeat the Palestinians just as India wouldn't have lost Pakistan. To top it off, America would have done nothing more than shore up strength in the New World, by Anglocentric entrenchment policies in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Ireland wouldn't have been able to use America as a springboard to frustrate Britain. South Africa could have been left to their own devices, due to the controversial nature of settlement there. Decolonization wouldn't have had such a catastrophic effect and anti-Western stigma along with Anglophobia would be nothing today.

    So, those strategies would have been better for all parties. The problem was, that too many people on all sides wanted to push for the errors of WWI to be perpetuated and to conceive of innocence over their place in that folly was disingenuous. That war shouldn't have happened, so trying to remediate the results with further conflict than necessary was just plain stupidity.

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