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    How Immigration Hurts Immigrants

    Every year, thousands of people leave their Third World countries in hopes of living in the First World. Some do it illegally, crossing borders without the consent of the nations they’re migrating to. Others do it through proper legal channels, intending one day to become citizens. Much has been said about the negative effects of either kind of immigration for the local population. What doesn’t get said much, however, is how immigration ends up hurting immigrants as well.

    First batch: skilled, hard-working immigrants


    Wikipedia defines the Third World as “the developing countries of Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa”. These countries have consistently lower life expectancy, higher crime rates, higher infant mortality and a host of other problems. Not wishing to deal with such problems, many leave for more developed nations. While the reasons for leaving are understandable, many fail to see they’ll just be trading one problem for another.

    The first waves of Third World immigrants are usually middle class or higher, who can afford private schools back home and have the resources to afford college and residence for their children in the First World. Being among the first to leave their country, they also have more risk tolerance and ambition than most of their fellow countrymen. These are people you’d expect back in their home country to start up companies, drive research, or even run for office. All the potential that could be spent developing their home countries gets shipped abroad instead.

    People with the resources, drive, and talent to succeed in their fields leave the homeland that most needs them. So instead of getting entrepreneurs, researchers, and drivers of change in the Third World, you get more people competing for ever decreasing jobs in the First World. Developing countries miss out on their chance to properly develop, making them poorer in the long run. And because these countries continue to worsen, more people keep leaving them, leading to a national death spiral.

    Second batch: not-so-skilled immigrants


    Skilled, competent immigrants can be successful in their new countries and benefit the economy. Their arrival, however, is usually followed by additional waves of immigrants who aren’t quite as valuable. We’re talking about the new arrivals who become leeches on the welfare state. So all the hard work the first batch of migrants are doing becomes nullified by their less productive countrymen who follow in the second batch.

    But harm to the economy isn’t the only export of low-skilled migrants. As has been said many times already, they also bring with them a host of cultural problems: increased crime rates, lowered social cohesion, etc. The same problems that made skilled immigrants leave their nations are brought to their new countries.

    Cultural dilution


    Nearly every single time, an immigrant who’s over a certain age will struggle to fully fit in. Even those who come with the intention of embracing their new culture never quite do so. A culture’s customs and traditions become a part of their people. This is specially true outside of the West, as these countries are allowed to feel pride in their homelands.

    The elites use this cultural pride as a weapon against the local majority, making minorities into an almost protected class. Again, this has been well covered on this site already. A point that doesn’t get made, however, is that this protected status will only last as long as the elites need them. Once the local majority becomes a minority, the new majority will become targeted.

    Third World cultures, for the most part, value the traditional family. The father provides, mother cares for the home, children are raised in values of their parents. If progressives truly means to erase the family and reduce population, these cultures can’t be left alone, lest they reinstate the natural order.

    One by one, all cultures will be eroded into mainstream Western culture, so that everyone can become a mindless consumer. This is already being done to the Third World through American media by encouraging careerism in women, normalizing abortion, and attacking religion. You’d be surprised at how many people in Latin America, for example, already buy into leftist propaganda.

    Everyone is happier at home


    Most people would be happier to keep living in their home cultures. Adaption and integration into different societies is a hard process that’s never completed. No matter how ”protected” or ”special” minorities are deemed to be by the elites, they’ll never be fully integrated. Instead, they’ll just get used until deemed an obstacle.

    Of course, staying in one’s home country is often easier said than done. For folks in failed states like Venezuela or warring countries like Syria, being asked to stay might sound silly. Why should they not seek to improve their station? Why should they care for what happens to their countries? Leaving home for greener pastures is a personal choice, and you can’t really force someone to stay. While I don’t claim to have an easy solution, the alternative doesn’t seem that great either.
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    Politicians don't care about Syria or Syrians, so if Syria becomes no more in their absence, it would be a victory for anyone who doesn't like MENA peoples. Without all the rapefugees to stand and fight ISIS in their country, the women and children remaining behind become human shields for terrorists--even as they are being abused. Hence, a whole country becomes a wasteland and its influential members are gaming the system elsewhere, as subsidized minorities who prop up unpopular left-wing governments--in essence, becoming human shields for the systems that import them. These left-wing governments are supremacists who use their positions to make foreigners eat out of their hands and threaten them with their superiority complex, but use the host bodies as scapegoats, in order to jostle for power by divide and conquer politics.

    "Post-colonial" just means using the colonial homelands as theatres of imperialism, holding on to the foreigners and not really letting them free to themselves. Basically, leftist governments and terrorists conspire to destroy whole nations like Syria, by dividing the fighting age men abroad from the undefended women and children at home. If all the MENA peoples became stateless, there wouldn't be any capacity to challenge the West at all. Islam would be neutered and only Communism left to fight. So, China would be the next egg to crack, but North Korea must be disabled (Japan?) and India must be supported in the same sense that Israel has been. I think more Hippies would "take up arms" for Hare Krishna and Buddha than for the Jewry. Secularized Iran and Pakistan might be satellite states of India. See it all come together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Politicians don't care about Syria or Syrians, so if Syria becomes no more in their absence, it would be a victory for anyone who doesn't like MENA peoples. Without all the rapefugees to stand and fight ISIS in their country, the women and children remaining behind become human shields for terrorists--even as they are being abused. Hence, a whole country becomes a wasteland and its influential members are gaming the system elsewhere, as subsidized minorities who prop up unpopular left-wing governments--in essence, becoming human shields for the systems that import them. These left-wing governments are supremacists who use their positions to make foreigners eat out of their hands and threaten them with their superiority complex, but use the host bodies as scapegoats, in order to jostle for power by divide and conquer politics.....
    Exactly, this never was about immigrants, refugees, "more laborers" or anything like this. It's all about harming us, displacing us and destroying our culture for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    Exactly, this never was about immigrants, refugees, "more laborers" or anything like this. It's all about harming us, displacing us and destroying our culture for good.
    I think some people have a real power trip and enjoy their paternalistic White Man's Burden fantasy, having nothing to do with the actual results you describe. They probably consider such results to be inconsequential, or acceptable losses in their quest for their sense of White Power. It may be no different than the monarchs' recruitment of Jewish bankers and merchants in the Middle Ages. Each ethnic group serves a distinct function in a class society or caste system. Think of France: Latin Church, Frankish State and Gallic People. The Three Estates of the Realm had ethnic origins and a regional basis. The Fourth Estate has never been set in stone, but Jews would have fit to some degree, in burgs and ghettos across the land, whether in Latin Provence, Frankish Flanders or Gaul in general. Compare the four castes of India and there you go.

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    I'm just glad that we finally have a president who is doing something about the illegal immigration problem here in America. Hey I don't like seeing children suffer. Don't get me wrong. But I guess separating the kids from the adults coming here illegally is the only way to solve the problem. I know it is a very brutal tactic but illegals are definitely not going to come here if their kids are taken away from them. There is no other way around it. Appreciate input on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saxonbrit View Post
    I'm just glad that we finally have a president who is doing something about the illegal immigration problem here in America. Hey I don't like seeing children suffer. Don't get me wrong. But I guess separating the kids from the adults coming here illegally is the only way to solve the problem. I know it is a very brutal tactic but illegals are definitely not going to come here if their kids are taken away from them. There is no other way around it. Appreciate input on this subject.
    It's a red herring. The open borders lobby is what's destroying families and blaming Trump for trying to keep them together and returned home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    I think some people have a real power trip and enjoy their paternalistic White Man's Burden fantasy, having nothing to do with the actual results you describe. They probably consider such results to be inconsequential, or acceptable losses in their quest for their sense of White Power. It may be no different than the monarchs' recruitment of Jewish bankers and merchants in the Middle Ages. Each ethnic group serves a distinct function in a class society or caste system. Think of France: Latin Church, Frankish State and Gallic People. The Three Estates of the Realm had ethnic origins and a regional basis. The Fourth Estate has never been set in stone, but Jews would have fit to some degree, in burgs and ghettos across the land, whether in Latin Provence, Frankish Flanders or Gaul in general. Compare the four castes of India and there you go.
    In the Indo-Aryan caste system the
    - first estate is the professional/clerical class
    - second estate is the political/military class
    - third estate is the business/farming class
    - fourth estate is the servile class to the others

    Medieval Europe had a similar order of estates:
    - Clerics: priest and teachers
    - Nobility: political leaders and soldiers
    - Commoners: Farmers, craftsmen, merchants, serfs

    The Rigsthula may give you an idea on what that may have been previously in Germanic nations.

    Custom (not government fiat) was what kept those organic orders going. Strangers unaccustomed would not be welcomed, since they won't respect the customary rules, which in turn would lead to hostility.

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