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    Licence to Breed?

    My apologies if this is in the wrong forum - modifiers, feel free to move it.

    Overpopulation is a problem. Countries are becoming too full, resources are under strain and the problem is getting worse. I have an idea on how to stop this. Let me know what you think.

    Before being allowed to have children, prospective parents should apply for a licence. Unsuitable parents would be refused. This way, population is controlled.

    • Those with genetic conditions would not be granted a licence. That way, those conditions could be all but eradicated.
    • Those who are infertile should not be helped to have children. It's expensive and allows people nature has decreed cannot breed to do so.
    • Those who cannot financially support their children would be refused a licence. The strain on our benefit systems would be cut dramatically.
    • Those who have abused or beaten children would be refused a licence.
    • Those guilty of certain crimes would be refused a licence.


    How to punish those who breed without a licence? Well, we could imprison them, sterilise them or take their children away (have them adopted by the state).

    I know that this is controversial. Whenever I've raised it before I've been branded a 'fascist' but I think it is a great way to control overpopulation and the makeup of society in a civilised manner.

    I'd be very interested in hearing what you all think. Many thanks in advance.

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    The problem is not just that we are getting overpopulated, it is that we are getting overpopulated by the wrong peoples. Birth rates of Indo-Europeans is very low, in fact so low that we are not even at replacement levels in most cases. While at the same time racial others are often outbreeding us by five and six times.

    The big lie we are being told is that "we have to help these third world people", I say BS they need to learn to feed themselves with the resources they in their lands and not over populate and invade our lands and use up our resources.
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    And how exactly do you plan to implement this? You do realize that Germanic countries especially are already below replacement level? People are already discouraged from breeding by the multiple obstacles to have children, social, financial, racial and discriminatory, etc. If you also ask them to get a licence to breed as well - which I assume also costs something and needs to be approved by specialists, so it takes a while - many won't bother. Compare with organ donation, the lowest donation numbers are from countries where you have to register as an organ donor, while those where you are one by default and have to opt out if you don't wish to have the highest successful transplant rates. Getting a document is tedious, modern people are unlikely to do it...

    What we'd ideally need are incentives to breed, not the other way around. Besides, this system would be draconian and a violation of human rights.

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    Overpopulation is a problem, whether we like to admit it or not. I don't subscribe to the theory that European and Germanic people should breed like rabbits as a solution to outnumber the aliens. This will never happen the way some think it will, even if every fertile Germanic woman had 5 children, we would still not outnumber them.

    If we want to be responsible we want to preserve the environment and resources. The future belongs to eugenics. When you have 50 and 60 year old women being artificially inseminated, something is very rotten with society.

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    I agree that people are too lazy and getting a license to breed would be too much hassle and tedious for people who are already used to decadence and laziness. So we'd need more incentives to breed. Instead give everyone a license by default but revoke it in those special cases like faulty genetic conditions, malformations, sex offenders and the like.

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    A License to Breed (LTB) would be the solution for most of society's problems. The problem of the West is not dwindling numbers, but the constant lowering of the quality of the people. All the discussions about the "replacement level" do not take this into account at all.

    Today we are so low intellectually and spiritually that people thing being White is just enough and that all Whites should breed. Otmar von Verscher and Eugen Fischer would have totally rejected that.

    Yet this was very much the topic in the first half of the 20th century. Everybody was White back then, but the highest scientific authorities recognized the problem of degenerescence of the population.

    For example, Taiwan also has a demographic growth that is slightly lower than the replacement level. But since they have a sane society and do not allow Brown immigration, they will be perfectly fine, with a slightly lower population. And if needed, they can allow selective, quality immigration of ethnic Chinese from elsewhere - if numbers are really an obsession (just like Singapore does - they don't need to breed).

    Also, who said we have to replace all those who are dying? It is just something people assume without any research or rational thinking. What if Taiwan's population goes down from 23 million today to 20 million in 20 years, then maybe 15 million? It doesn't matter at all.

    And it's still way more than in 1950! Every country that has now a slightly diminishing population still has way more inhabitants than after WWII! So quantity is a non-issue. It all comes from irrational fear, existential anxiety.




    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    If you also ask them to get a licence to breed as well - which I assume also costs something and needs to be approved by specialists, so it takes a while - many won't bother.
    Then only the most motivated ones will do it, which will increase the quality of the population. That's the whole point of a license - to put a barrier to entry

    Again, it depends if you are looking at increasing the quality or the quantity of the population.


    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    Besides, this system would be draconian and a violation of human rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Pride View Post
    And how exactly do you plan to implement this?
    In the same way that if someone wants a gun, for example - no licence, no gun.

    You do realize that Germanic countries especially are already below replacement level? People are already discouraged from breeding by the multiple obstacles to have children, social, financial, racial and discriminatory, etc. If you also ask them to get a licence to breed as well - which I assume also costs something and needs to be approved by specialists, so it takes a while - many won't bother.
    I think they will. Most people want to have children, and the cost of a licence should be very low. All you would need is a certificate from a doctor saying that you have no genetic conditions, a letter from your employer/bank manager saying that you are financially secure, and access to your criminal record. I think it would be much the same as applying for a passport and the vast majority of us have those.

    Compare with organ donation, the lowest donation numbers are from countries where you have to register as an organ donor, while those where you are one by default and have to opt out if you don't wish to have the highest successful transplant rates. Getting a document is tedious, modern people are unlikely to do it...
    If they want a child (and most families do) then it would be no more trouble than getting a marriage licence or getting a passport - both small hurdles that people overcome.

    What we'd ideally need are incentives to breed, not the other way around.
    I disagree - overpopulation is the biggest threat to mankind.

    Besides, this system would be draconian and a violation of human rights.
    That's the trouble isn't it - Human Rights. Well, human rights have led (in my country at least) families on benefits having as many as 12 children while those of us who work only having one. A licence system would turn that around. Human Rights are over-rated. Sure, there should be a right not to be tortured or not to be executed without a fair trial. But, a right to have children should be earned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hama View Post
    Well, human rights have led (in my country at least) families on benefits having as many as 12 children while those of us who work only having one. A licence system would turn that around.
    How so? While removing some of the benefits or limiting the number of children from those who are genetically or financially unstable would indeed decrease, I don't see how a licence system would encourage the working family to have more than one child. Unless of course, like NP said, they receive some incentive to have more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    Today we are so low intellectually and spiritually that people thing being White is just enough and that all Whites should breed.
    In theory being Germanic is enough, since intelligence is largely a matter of inheriting genes. The lack of spirituality and intelligent thought is due to social and political developments. If people are fed rubbish, rubbish is all that is going to come out of them.

    It's the lack of quality that is a non-issue, it's mostly due to environmental influences, we were not born dumb.

    Also, who said we have to replace all those who are dying? It is just something people assume without any research or rational thinking. What if Taiwan's population goes down from 23 million today to 20 million in 20 years, then maybe 15 million? It doesn't matter at all.
    That's one in three Taiwanese who will be gone within the lifetime of a single person, the population decline happens too quickly. A shrinking work force, less taxes, less recruits for the army to prevent a Chinese invasion, neglected elderly, ... all of this spells disaster for Taiwan.

    A country can do without philosophers, but it can't do without nurses, cops, firefighters ... if there are not enough around of those the government will be forced to draft them - but none of them generate wealth - so Taiwan's economy will be less productive and less competitive. Taiwan will also produce less great thinkers and art because the country will have to focus on survival, hence there will be less liberty as well.

    And it's still way more than in 1950! Every country that has now a slightly diminishing population still has way more inhabitants than after WWII! So quantity is a non-issue. It all comes from irrational fear, existential anxiety.
    That we'll experience a massive population implosion in the coming decades is a given, that we'll become minorities in our own countries in twenty years from now is also a fact, even the mainstream press recognises this. It's a rational fear and a bigger issue than the lack of quality. Our current numbers are still relatively high because there are so many old people around, and they will die within twenty years. And when they die, Ahnenerbe, we ourselves are gonna be old. If our generation dies without making babies there are simply not going to be enough Germanics left to maintain the nation-states we know. Our birth rate is so ridiculously low that the babyboomers and gen X will never be replaced. Soon our population figures will be at pre-WW2 levels, then it will be pre-WW1, und so weiter und so fort. Even if we succeed in fortifying our borders, we'll still be poor as dirt, weak and totally irrelevant as long as the birthrate doesn't increase.

    Will we sit around a campfire in a cave patting ourselves on the back because of how smart and qualitative we are then?

    And not all of us are in favor of importing Iranian babies and learning Sanskrit (for some obscure reason) so a new "Indo-European" nation - a backward Third World, Islamic, post-European nation rather - can emerge (for another obscure reason).

    Quantity is more important than quality, in the sense that a nation needs far more do-ers than thinkers. And there's a strength in numbers. Our countries are overrun through the strength of the numbers of the invaders - the Third World has a population surplus, we don't. The more there are of us, the better, as long as there's work and Lebensraum for everyone.
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    I agree that not everyone should breed for the sake of breeding.
    However, many Germanic nations need children.

    Negative population growth isn't harmful, as long as the population stays balanced.
    If the population is too young or too old, we lack an active part of the population. This is especially important if we have a large number of immigration, which is already drastically affecting Europe.

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