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    History's Most Terrifying Peace: Allied-Run Concentration Camps

    I’d rather be 10 years in a German camp than one day in a Polish one.[15]

    Editors Comment: WWII is often referred to as The Good War. Unfortunately that is a carefully crafted myth. In Germany’s War: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of WWII, John Wear reviews the evidence scrutinizing the actions of both the Allies and Axis armies. He exposes the Allied falsification and exaggeration of German atrocities during WWII. Extreme and false anti-German propaganda was necessary to implement the highly successful Allied plan to conquer, control, and mass murder the German people.

    Described as “history’s most terrifying peace” (Germany’s War Chp. 7), the post WWII atrocities on a defeated enemy, in their totality, are breathtakingly vindictive and sadistic. The horrendous plight of nearly 18 million ethnic Germans forcibly cleansed from their homelands and marched into poverty, hunger and suffering is forgotten. The 2 million German girls and women raped, many repeatedly to the point of insanity and death. The plight of millions of German POWs used as harshly treated slave labor in Allied nations or left to simply starve to death in a bare open field under the watch of armed American soldiers. The intentional starvation of German children and infants…. all deliberately ignored and forgotten chapters of ‘The Good War’.

    Senator Kenneth Wherry of Nebraska… stated: “Terrifying reports are filtering through the British, French and American occupied zones, and even more gruesome reports from the Russian occupied zone, revealing a horrifying picture of deliberate and wholesale starvation…The truth is that there are thousands upon thousands of tons of military rations in our surplus stockpiles that have been spoiling right in the midst of starving populations.” Germany’s War pp.311-312

    In contrast;

    The horrific scenes encountered by U.S. and British troops when they entered German concentration camps at the end of World War II have been used to prove a German policy of extermination of the Jews. As gruesome as these scenes were, it was soon discovered that most of the deaths in the German camps were caused by disease and other natural causes. None of the autopsy reports show that anyone died of poison gas. Also, contrary to publicized claims, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps. The virtual collapse of Germany’s food, transport, and public health systems and the extreme overcrowding in the German camps at the end of the war led to the catastrophe the Allied troops encountered when they entered the camps. Germany’s War p.383

    A warning, this article includes some graphic references of the sport-torture inflicted on Germans, including women.

    Postwar Crimes Committed in Allied-Run Concentration Camps

    The Allies continued to operate Germany’s existing concentration camps after World War II. Additional camps to intern ethnic Germans were established in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia. The existence and operation of these postwar camps is a matter of major historical significance. While the population of the German concentration camp system had grown to a record peak of over 700,000 at the beginning of 1945, it is possible the number of Germans incarcerated across Europe in similar camps by the end of 1945 might have been even higher.[1]

    Soviet-Run Camps

    The concentration camps at Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen, Mühlberg, Fürstenwalde, Liebe-Roze, Bautzen and others were taken over by the Russian Gulag Archipelago. Thus, for example, the camp at Buchenwald was transformed into “Special Camp No. 2” and was operated by the Soviet Union until 1950.[2] Conditions at the camps under Soviet control were atrocious. The camps were labeled “special” because the Soviets insisted that the internees be cut off completely from the civilian population.[3] Even Gen. Merkulov, the Soviet official in charge of the concentration camps in Germany, acknowledged the severe lack of order and cleanliness, particularly at Buchenwald.[4]

    One former inmate described his five years in the Soviet-run Buchenwald camp in these words:

    People were mere numbers. Their dignity was consciously trampled upon. They were starved without mercy and consumed by tuberculosis until they were skeletons. The annihilation process, which had been well tested over decades, was systematic. The cries and groans of those in pain still echo in my ears whenever the past comes back to me in sleepless nights. We had to watch helplessly as people perished according to plan—like creatures sacrificed to annihilation.

    Many nameless people were caught up in the annihilation machinery of the NKVD after the collapse of 1945. They were herded together like cattle after the so-called liberation and vegetated in the many concentration camps. Many were systematically tortured to death. A memorial was built for the dead of the Buchenwald concentration camp. A figure of death victims was chosen based on fantasy. Intentionally, only the dead of the 1937-1945 period were honored. Why is there no memorial honoring the dead of 1945 to 1950? Countless mass graves were dug around the camp in the postwar period.[5]

    While no one can know the exact number of deaths and inmates at Buchenwald, it is reasonably certain a higher percentage of inmates died under Soviet control than under German control. Viktor Suvorov estimates that 28,000 people were imprisoned by the Soviets at Buchenwald from 1945-1950, of whom 7,000 (25%) died. By comparison, he estimates that 250,000 people were imprisoned by the Germans at Buchenwald from 1937 to 1945. Of that number, he estimates that 50,000 (20%) died. The Soviet Buchenwald had a higher estimated death rate than the German Buchenwald.[6]

    Suvorov’s estimates of deaths at Soviet-run Buchenwald are probably understated. Some sources estimate that at least 13,000 and as many as 21,000 persons died in Soviet-run Buchenwald.[7] Also, a detailed June 1945 U.S. government report of German-run Buchenwald put the total deaths at a lower amount of 33,462, of whom more than 20,000 died in the chaotic final months of the war. These total deaths include at least 400 inmates killed in British bombing raids.[8] Thus, the death-rate percentage at the Soviet-run Buchenwald versus the German-run Buchenwald is probably substantially higher than Suvorov’s estimates.

    Russian estimates show a total of 122,671 Germans passed through Soviet-run camps in the Soviet Zone after the end of the war. Of this total, 42,889 Germans died, or approximately 35%. The official Soviet statistics probably underestimate the true number of dead in the Soviet-run camps. American military intelligence units and Social Democratic Party groups in the late 1940s and 1950s estimate that a much higher total of 240,000 German prisoners passed through Soviet-run camps in the Soviet zone. Of these, an estimated 95,643 died, or almost 40%.

    In these revisions there were 60,000 prisoners at Sachsenhausen, where 26,143 died; 30,600 prisoners at Buchenwald, where 13,200 did not survive; and 30,000 prisoners at Bautzen, where 16,700 died. The higher death counts are supported by discoveries of numerous mass graves of Germans buried near the Soviet-run camps.[9]

    No one has ever been punished for the deaths and mistreatment of German inmates in the postwar Soviet-run camps. The hundreds of thousands of visitors who visit the Buchenwald campsite each year only see museums and memorials dedicated to the “victims of fascism.” There is nothing at Buchenwald to remind visitors of the thousands of Germans who perished miserably in Buchenwald after the war when the camp was run by the Soviet Communists.[10]

    Polish-Run Camps

    Many of the Germans in Poland were also sent to the former German concentration camps. In March 1945, the Polish military command declared that the entire German people shared the blame for starting World War II. Over 105,000 Germans were sent to labor camps in Poland before their expulsion from Poland. The Polish authorities soon converted concentration camps such as Auschwitz-Birkenau, Łambinowice (called Lamsdorf by its German occupants) and others into internment and labor camps. In fact, the liberation of the last surviving Jewish inmates of the Auschwitz main camp and the arrival of the first ethnic Germans were separated by less than two weeks.

    When the camps in Poland were finally closed, it is estimated that as many as 50% of the inmates, mostly women and children, had died from ill-treatment, malnutrition and diseases.[11]

    In a confidential report concerning the Polish concentration camps filed with the Foreign Office, R.W.F. Bashford wrote:

    [T]he concentration camps were not dismantled, but rather taken over by new owners. Mostly they are run by Polish militia. In Świętochłowice, prisoners who are not starved or whipped to death are made to stand, night after night, in cold water up to their necks, until they perish. In Breslau there are cellars from which, day and night, the screams of victims can be heard.[12]

    Lamsdorf in Upper Silesia was initially built by Germany to house Allied prisoners of war. This camp’s postwar population of 8,064 Germans was decimated through starvation, disease, hard labor and physical mistreatment. A surviving German doctor at Lamsdorf recorded the deaths of 6,488 German inmates in the camp after the war, including 628 children.[13]

    A report submitted to the U.S. Senate dated August 28, 1945, reads:

    In “Y” , Upper Silesia, an evacuation camp has been prepared which holds at present 1,000 people….A great part of the people are suffering from symptoms of starvation; there are cases of tuberculosis and always new cases of typhoid….Two people seriously ill with syphilis have been dealt with in a very simple way: They were shot….Yesterday a woman from “K” [another camp] was shot and a child wounded.[14]

    Zgoda, which had been a satellite camp of Auschwitz during the war, was reopened by the Polish Security Service as a punishment and labor camp. Thousands of Germans in Poland were arrested and sent to Zgoda for labor duties. The prisoners were denied adequate food and medical care, the overcrowded barrack buildings were crawling with lice, and beatings were a common occurrence. The camp director, Salomon Morel, told the prisoners at the gate that he would show them what Auschwitz had meant. A man named Günther Wollny, who had the misfortune of being an inmate in both Auschwitz and Zgoda, later stated,

    I’d rather be 10 years in a German camp than one day in a Polish one.[15]

    Sexual Assaults in Polish Camps

    A notable element of the postwar Polish camp system was the prevalence of sexual assault as well as ritualized sexual humiliation and punishment suffered by the female inmates. The practice at Jaworzno, as reported by Antoni Białecki of the local Office of Public Security, was to

    take ethnically German women at gunpoint home at night and rape them.

    The camp functioned as a sexual supermarket for its 170-strong militia guard contingent.

    The sexual humiliation of female prisoners in the Polish camp at Potulice had become an institutional practice by the end of 1945. Many of the women were sexually abused and beaten, and some of the punishments resulted in horrific injuries. The sexual exploitation of women in Polish-run camps contrasts to the experience of women in German-run concentration camps. Rape or other forms of sexual mistreatment was an extremely rare occurrence at German concentration camps and severely punished by the authorities if detected.[16]

    The ICRC attempted to send a delegation to investigate the atrocities reported in the Polish camps. It was not until July 17, 1947, when most Germans had either died or had been expelled from the camps, that Red Cross officials were finally allowed to inspect a Polish camp. Yet even at this late date there were still a few camps the Red Cross was not allowed to investigate.[17]

    Jewish journalist John Sack has confirmed the torture and murder of German prisoners in postwar Polish camps operated by the Office of State Security. Most of the camps were staffed and run by Jews, with help from Poles, Czechs, Russians, and concentration camp survivors.

    Virtually all of the personnel at these camps were eager to take revenge on the defeated Germans. In three years after the war, Sack estimates that from 60,000 to 80,000 Germans died in the Office’s camps.[18]

    Efforts to bring perpetrators in Polish camps to justice were largely unsuccessful. Czesław Gęborski, director of the camp at Lamsdorf, was indicted by the Polish authorities in 1956 for wanton brutality against the German prisoners. Gęborski admitted at his trial that his only goal in taking the job was “to exact revenge” on the Germans. On October 4, 1945, Gęborski ordered his guards to shoot down anyone trying to escape a fire that engulfed one of the barracks buildings; a minimum of 48 prisoners were killed that day. The guards at Lamsdorf also routinely beat the German prisoners and stole from them. German prisoners in Lamsdorf died of hunger and diseases in droves; guards recalled scenes of children begging for scraps of food and crusts of bread. Gęborski was found not guilty despite strong evidence of his criminal acts.[19]

    Czech-Run Camps

    The Theresienstadt concentration camp in Czechoslovakia was used by Germany during the war to intern many of Germany’s, Austria’s, and Czechoslovakia’s most famous or talented Jews. On May 24, 1945, the Czech government decided to use the Theresienstadt camp to imprison 600 Germans from Prague. Within the first few hours of their arrival between 59 and 70 of the 600 Germans were brutally beaten to death. Two hundred more of the Germans were reported to have died from torture and beatings within the next few days. The camp commandant, Alois Pruša, took great pleasure in the beatings, and reportedly used at least one of his daughters to assist him in killing the German inmates. Pruša and his assistant told the remaining surviving Germans that they would never leave the camp.[20]

    Torture appears to have been the rule in Czech-run Theresienstadt. Guards at Theresienstadt used a variety of instruments for beating and lashing their victims: steel rods sheathed with leather, pipes, rubber truncheons, iron bars and wooden planks. One woman in Theresienstadt observed and still remembers the screams from a female SS member forced to sit astride an SA dagger. Dr. E. Siegel, a Czech-speaking medical doctor working for the Red Cross, was also subject to extensive torture in Theresienstadt. Dr. Siegel thought the guards were ordered from above to commit their acts of torture, because the methods used in all Czech camps were broadly similar.[21]

    Some of the savagery at Theresienstadt stopped when Pruša was replaced by a Maj. Kálal.[22] However, one secret Soviet report said that the German inmates at Theresienstadt repeatedly begged the Russians to stay at the camp. The report states:

    We now see the manifestations of hatred for the Germans. They [the Czechs] don’t kill them, but torment them like livestock. The Czechs look at them like cattle.

    The horrible treatment at the hands of the Czechs led to despair and hopelessness among Czechoslovakia’s ethnic Germans. According to Czech statistics, 5,558 Germans committed suicide in 1946 alone.[23]

    Czech author Dr. Hans Guenther Adler, a Jew who was imprisoned during the war in the Theresienstadt concentration camp, confirms that conditions in Czech-run Theresienstadt were deplorable for Germans after the war. Adler writes:

    Certainly there were those among them who, during the years of occupation, were guilty of some infraction or other, but the majority, among them children and adolescents, were locked up simply because they were German. Just because they were German…? That phrase is frighteningly familiar; one could easily substitute the word “Jew” for “German.” The rags given to the Germans as clothes were smeared with swastikas. They were miserably undernourished, abused….The camp was run by Czechs, yet they did nothing to stop the Russians from going in to rape the captive women.[24]

    After the war, the Red Cross reported that the sexual abuse of female inmates in Czech-run camps was pervasive and systematic. A foreign observer of one Czech camp noted that the women were treated like animals. Russian and Czech soldiers come in search of women for purposes which can be imagined. Conditions there for women are definitely more unfavorable than in the German concentration camps, where cases of rape were rare.

    In another Czech camp, the Czech and Soviet soldiers would take away the prettiest girls, who would often disappear without trace.

    Jean Duchosal, secretary general of the ICRC, reported that girls were often raped at the Matejovce camp in Slovakia, and that beatings were daily occurrences. The same was true of the Czech-run camp of Patrónka. A Prague police report of June 1945 mentioned that Revolutionary Guards were in the habit of exposing women’s body parts and burning them with lighted cigarettes.[25]

    A common feature of most Czech-run camps was the provision of so little food to inmates as to make not merely malnutrition but actual starvation largely a function of the length of incarceration. The Czech government in 1945 and 1946 instituted a policy that there would be no improvement in the food rations provided to ethnic German inmates regardless of the availability of food. For example, despite the fact that malnutrition-related deaths were occurring at a rate of three per day, none of the 4.5 tons of food the Red Cross delivered to the Hagibor camp shortly before Christmas 1945 was issued to the inmates. Richard Stokes, the prominent British Parliament member, visited Hagibor in September 1946 and calculated the daily food ration at Hagibor to be “750 calories per day, which is below Belsen level.”[26]

    The Red Cross found that published regulations regarding the dietary requirements of inmates in Czech-run camps were almost invariably ignored. Pierre W. Mock, head of the ICRC delegation in Bratislava, calculated the daily caloric intake of prisoners at Petržalka I camp at 664 per person during the third week of October 1945. The daily caloric intake had declined to 512 per person when Mock returned to the Petržalka I camp in the last week of December 1945. At Nováky, a former German concentration camp, Mock found the milk and bread ration to be woefully inadequate to feed the population of more than 5,000.

    A Red Cross visitor at the Hradištko camp near Prague was informed by the guard in charge of food distribution that the inadequate food ration issued to the inmates was fixed by law and unchangeable. The guard also told the Red Cross visitor that the few Czech children at Hradištko received twice as much food as the German inmates. A social worker attempting to ameliorate the worst elements of the Czechoslovak camp system confidentially advised the British Foreign Office that the Czech government would not permit relief supplies to be distributed to the needy German civilian inmates.[27]

    German prisoners at Svidník camp in Czechoslovakia were also forced to clear away mine fields. Strong protests from the ICRC at Bratislava eventually succeeded in having this practice stopped.[28] The ICRC also sent a general memorandum to the Prague government on March 14, 1946, stating that its duty was to carry out the German expulsions as humanely as possible. In view of the unsatisfactory condition of the camps, the ICRC recommended that provisional internment of Germans in Czechoslovakia should be ended as soon as possible.[29]

    Conclusion

    The German prisoners in postwar Soviet, Polish, and Czech concentration camps were subject to brutal treatment resulting in the loss of many tens of thousands of lives. Their treatment was probably worse than the treatment of prisoners at German-run concentration camps during World War II.
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    70 years after the war, even our public TV station ZDF compiles a docu named "Die Verbrechen der Befreier" (the crimes of the liberators).

    Die Verbrechen der Befreier, 2015


    Because, they cannot hide the truth forever. It's still full of allied propaganda, of course, that the topic is touched upon at all, however, shows that the power of that fatique propaganda is vaning...rapidly.
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    Do you think that's a "But we didn't hide that from you"-tactic, Velvet.


    I know about it, because I was interested in the subject. Many younger Germans I spoke to, don't seem to know. Some of the older did, though.

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    If so, it would be a cheap, very cheap try, because you can easily prove the opposite, with the abundance of docus never touching upon the topic, and even threats towards people who dared to "counterargue" with those atrocities against those we allegedly did to the jews.

    But the thing is, what I said, people start questioning the narrative, and in the internet age it's easy to find information like what Out of Germania posted. And another thing is that many younger people dont care either way. The propaganda in schools has become so nauseating that people simply stop listening, and when you ask them at age 25 or whatever, you'll find that they say: it's all been 70 years ago, I dont have anything to do with it. Or worse (in their eyes) say: we dont owe the world shit (wir schulden der Welt einen Scheiss, as in nothing, nada, niente, including an implied 'you will no longer hold us down').

    To pour some of that real information inbetween their greatest hope, imho, is to make people listen again. A futile task, if you ask me. There are like 3+ docus each day (!) about Hitler's Reich, Hitler's this and Hitler's that, but on channels with a share of like 1% watchers, ZDFInfo, Arte, Phoenix, whathaveyou. Younger people dont even have those in their favorites' list, they'll never even accidentially come across such a docu while zapping.

    Almost a shame, because there are quite some interesting docus occasionally, specially those made in recent years. There was another one about Heydrich, which was, when you ignore the flood of textblock condemnations, even quite good, and as far as I could tell, even accurate, concerning his early and family life etc.

    But that "our" side gets mentioned, and worked upon is probably also due to simple pressure from the people who study / investigate history. You may know Germar Rudolf, a historian at some university, who was forced to exile from Germany for investigating the holocaust. He dared to ask some inconvenient questions, and now is threatened with several years in prison. The historians, imho, are the greatest "problem" in keeping up the one-sided narrative, because they are told to ignore or twist facts, and those facts have piled up to a mountain of questions and doubts. And they simply no longer do how they're told to do, because it goes against their work ethics.

    There have been only one docu ever before that dared to show our side, that was somewhen late 60s I think, featuring Germans who had lived during the era and dared to say that it wasnt all bad. That caused a skandal from our jewish friends of course, and ever since each and every docu featured only Jews and/or communist/resistance. Even the most stupid and ignorant consument of all those docus, if they see more than 5, notice that there's a missing element.

    Well, as said, they just cant wipe everything under the big carpet anymore, they're being called Lügenpresse for several years now, and that term has long left the Pegida demo audience, a vast majority of people (like 70+ %) distrust the medias, they must boost their credibility, and that is certainly part of the motivation behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    If so, it would be a cheap, very cheap try, because you can easily prove the opposite, with the abundance of docus never touching upon the topic, and even threats towards people who dared to "counterargue" with those atrocities against those we allegedly did to the jews.

    But the thing is, what I said, people start questioning the narrative, and in the internet age it's easy to find information like what Out of Germania posted. And another thing is that many younger people dont care either way. The propaganda in schools has become so nauseating that people simply stop listening, and when you ask them at age 25 or whatever, you'll find that they say: it's all been 70 years ago, I dont have anything to do with it. Or worse (in their eyes) say: we dont owe the world shit (wir schulden der Welt einen Scheiss, as in nothing, nada, niente, including an implied 'you will no longer hold us down').
    The socalled "Holocaust fatigue". Even, if they get annoyed with this indoctrination, it is also a deterrent for those that otherwise may take an interest in history.... I sense the same problem here. Most people are clueless about South Africa's real history. The common narrative approaches more and more and even exceeds ANC-propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    To pour some of that real information inbetween their greatest hope, imho, is to make people listen again. A futile task, if you ask me. There are like 3+ docus each day (!) about Hitler's Reich, Hitler's this and Hitler's that, but on channels with a share of like 1% watchers, ZDFInfo, Arte, Phoenix, whathaveyou. Younger people dont even have those in their favorites' list, they'll never even accidentially come across such a docu while zapping.

    Almost a shame, because there are quite some interesting docus occasionally, specially those made in recent years. There was another one about Heydrich, which was, when you ignore the flood of textblock condemnations, even quite good, and as far as I could tell, even accurate, concerning his early and family life etc.
    Well, if the docus still have some value, we can still make them useful. E.g. cut out the propaganda part and use the raw material.

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    But that "our" side gets mentioned, and worked upon is probably also due to simple pressure from the people who study / investigate history. You may know Germar Rudolf, a historian at some university, who was forced to exile from Germany for investigating the holocaust. He dared to ask some inconvenient questions, and now is threatened with several years in prison. The historians, imho, are the greatest "problem" in keeping up the one-sided narrative, because they are told to ignore or twist facts, and those facts have piled up to a mountain of questions and doubts. And they simply no longer do how they're told to do, because it goes against their work ethics.
    Germar Rudolf wasn't a historian, but is a chemist that stumbled over the question of homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz. He first critiqued the Leuchter Report, but then did do an investigation of his own confirming core findings. Meaning that those buildings were not used as homicidal gas chambers, at least not in the way claimed.

    As someone from a natural science background Rudolf was more interested in hard evidence than the run of the diploma mill historian is. Historians are more interested in narratives and documents, but even they have to lead the critical examiner to the conclusion that the Holocaust evidence is rather "thin" to put it mildly.
    Yes, there were Jews deported and interned during world war two and yes, some of them actually didn't survive that. But they died of epidemics and later shortages, due to supply problems induced by Allied warfare (mass civilian bombing).

    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    There have been only one docu ever before that dared to show our side, that was somewhen late 60s I think, featuring Germans who had lived during the era and dared to say that it wasnt all bad. That caused a skandal from our jewish friends of course, and ever since each and every docu featured only Jews and/or communist/resistance. Even the most stupid and ignorant consument of all those docus, if they see more than 5, notice that there's a missing element.
    .....
    OK, I think the docu wasn't from the 60s, but from the 1980s:
    https://archive.org/details/WarumSieHitlerWaehlten
    https://archive.org/details/WarumSie...enReichDienten
    And then there is:
    https://archive.org/details/EMILKLEI...IONALSOZIALIST


    This of course all lacks the usual demonizing and give quite some plausible explanation how the NSDAP emerged and came to power in Germany:
    https://archive.org/details/EMILKLEI...IONALSOZIALIST

    Unfortunately, there is no English subtitles with it, since I think it's important also to inform non-German speakers nowadays.


    There is one thing that I noticed that there is only talked about treatment of Germans in the Aftermath of WW2, but barely about (ethnic) Germans were treated before and after the immediate start of World War Two on territories that got under foreign control after WW1.

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