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    German Federal Election, 2017

    German elections 2017: Angela Merkel wins fourth term but AfD makes gains, exit poll says – live updates

    Angela Merkel is heading for a fourth term as Germany’s chancellor after her centre-right CDU party and its CSU sister party won 32% of the vote, initial exit polls have projected.

    The estimation puts the Christian Democrats comfortably ahead of their outgoing coalition partner and main rival, the Social Democrat SPD party led by Martin Schulz, which ended a miserable campaign with just 20% – a near rout.

    But as predicted, the far-right, anti-immigration AfD has spoiled the chancellor’s party, clearing the 5% parliamentary threshold for the first time in its four-year history with a score of 13%, making it the third largest party in the Bundestag and possibly the official opposition.

    The smaller, pro-business FDP party, Merkel’s favoured coalition partner, looks set to return to parliament after missing out in 2013 with a share of 10%, while the Green party won 9% and the left-wing Die Linke 9%.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...d-live-updates

    Have you voted in the elections, if so for which party? What do the results say, what is your opinion about the gains made by the AfD?

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    Well, these are some points on Metaculus I hoped I would not get. * But can any of our members from Germany tell us on the basis of the results what the most likely governing coalition combinations might be?

    *)Alto I will get more if Merkel does not get a fourth term, but I was hoping for some kind of scandal close to the elections that would influence what people would vote.
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    Those are the results I'm getting:



    And those are the winners and losers.




    The AfD are the clear winners. And CDU/SPD are the losers, although they still will be able to maintain forming a coalition government on their own it seems.

    If I was eligible, I'd have voted for the AfD, just to get a feasible opposition into the parliament.

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    When Le Pen lost in France, I knew Germany's far-right didn't stand much of a chance. Well, all I have to say is the Germans who did vote for Merkel deserve her at the end of the day.

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    Well, there are several options. The SPD said they will not join the government, but enter opposition… So who shall govern then? Merkel & Grüne & Die Linke? It's gonna be even worse… "Open" society, multiculturalism, tolerance & transgenderism. The Greens & leftists are avid supporters of feminism, transgenderism, "sexual minorities", childfree ideology and/or children "sexual liberation"... it is becoming more and more surreal. There was a scandal regarding the Green Party a few years ago, as a number of Green Party members and associates in the 1980s advocated for the legalization of pedophilia. An ad by the Greens from the early 1980s that was published in a gay magazine read that "only the application or threat of violence, or the abuse of a dependent relationship in connection with sexual acts, should be criminalized". Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Green MEP, has enlightened us already about his sexual fantasies with children in his 1976 autobiography "The Great Bazaar". Such people were part of the Greens from its very founding, along with feminists, pacifists, homosexuals and opponents of nuclear energy. And of course they motivated it as a "way to prevent authoritarianism and nazism", even a "very German" phenomenon.

    Some transgenderist said "it borders to child abuse" to assign a gender to a child at birth, and that this barbarous practice should be made illegal… Then maybe it would also be good if government officials could enter and search the houses of parents at any time to inspect that no gender-specific toys are made available to children at a young age, so that they can "decide for themselves" to what gender they wish to belong (if any).

    Or maybe SPD are going to change their minds, like the Socialists did in Austria... initially they said they would not continue a coalition with the Conservatives, and would even consider one with the Freedom Party if they compromised on x and y issues, but ultimately they backtracked because they must "protect the democracy" at any price... so here too, they might bite through this option "because only the AfD & right-wing extremists would profit if there is chaos and no government… We have to continue the tradition of freedom, democracy and a state under the rule of law and defend it against the enemies of Germany…." (= pro-German Germans). Some are braindead beyond repair I fear…

    On the other hand, while the AfD did not get into government, they are in parliament now, and that's good, cause neither the SRP/NPD/REP/DVU ever made it into federal parliament, and it's high time a rightist force entered it… all the others are either pseudo-conservatives (CDU), liberal (FDP) or socialists (SPD, Greens, Linke)… even if they too will have to be politically correct and make unpleasant compromises, it's rather more symbolic of people's dissatisfaction with the "status quo", which is slowly growing. At some point, politicians will have to realize they cannot keep cheating their electorates and being corrupt ad nauseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    Well, these are some points on Metaculus I hoped I would not get. * But can any of our members from Germany tell us on the basis of the results what the most likely governing coalition combinations might be?
    Depends on the end results, but I guess it will be back to CDU + FPD, probably with some non-coalition support from Left or Greens, to "fight AfD".

    It will be some interesting next 4 years, watching the "establishment parties" bullying out AfD, like they do with the elected NPD in some east-German parliaments, excluding them from votings 'n stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by GroeneWolf View Post
    *)Alto I will get more if Merkel does not get a fourth term, but I was hoping for some kind of scandal close to the elections that would influence what people would vote.
    You mean like 12 people driven dead on a public space? There have been so many scandals really, still people vote for the parties responsible for this mess. For parties, who prefer to make a show of tolerance instead of lowering the flags like every other state that became victim of islamic terrorism recently had done. German politicians instead had a mass together with Imams, preaching their mantras that this got nothing to do with Islam. No condemning of violence and murder, and the case has been wiped under the carpet by and large.

    However, looking at some election results by federal state or cities, it's quite "interesting" to see AfD overall only with 13%. In Saxony they have ~32%, this is more than CDU! Even in Giessen (and this is really interesting, because Giessen is a university city, "traditionally" rather left, "open" and "tolerant") AfD got 20%, after most votes have already been counted.

    Whatever the numbers tonight may be being published as "end results", will most likely be put to scrutiny. AfD had won the case in Bremen so that the votes have been re-counted, with resulting in one more seat to them and actually another scandal (widely ignored of course) of condoned election fraud, comments by "establishment" parties actually hailed the fraud.

    Some leftist extremist had posted on twitter about her 200-people strong group on facebook applying to be Wahlbeobachter and using this position to make votes for AfD invalid. If this should go unnoticed or unreversed, a lot of votes might just have been lost. Or probably there will be cities in which people will have to vote again.

    In several bigger cities there was a shortage of ballot papers, although media claimed that everyone could cast their votes. Other irregularities have already been reported, so guess we have to wait to see really final results.

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    This election, regardless of everything mentioned above, is already a little revolution, and I'm really glad to see that not everyone yet is completely braindead.

    People like Beatrix von Storch and Gauland is exactly what we need. People no longer silenced by the wailing of retarded SJWs about political correctness. As said, it will be some interesting next 4 years.

    Well done, AfD
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    Weimar Republic conditions - somehow.

    Germany has many immigrants with voting rights.

    They will become more ...

    These immigrants are likely split into asylum or
    working immigrants.
    These might vote differently.

    The Social Democrats need to make a decision,
    about strangers; without such the SPD will loose each
    elections to the Greens and Left.

    The SPD is lead by psychos who tell they would
    rather commit suicide , than becoming "Nazi" ;
    but talk is cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uwe Jens Lornsen View Post
    Weimar Republic conditions - somehow.

    Germany has many immigrants with voting rights.

    They will become more ...

    These immigrants are likely split into asylum or
    working immigrants.
    These might vote differently.

    The Social Democrats need to make a decision,
    about strangers; without such the SPD will loose each
    elections to the Greens and Left.

    The SPD is lead by psychos who tell they would
    rather commit suicide , than becoming "Nazi" ;
    but talk is cheap.
    One reason the leftists are so pro-immigration and anti ius sanguinis citizenship is to get a steady supply of leftists voters. People that will vote for the promise of "more welfare". Previously the left got votes from lower income natives that were semi-skilled workers or unemployed. With many of their children now working in higher qualified jobs and having better incomes, their voter base was growing thin. Although milieu in which people grew up and were socialized also played a role. People that got their job from the government or through some government intervention are also more likely to vote leftist. A lot of those now benefit economically by refugees coming in - charities, churches, translators, social workers etc. Jobs, there is otherwise not that much "market demand" for.

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    I envy the Eastern Germans for their sanity...The West has largely chosen suicide.

    Since the SPD has decided not to participate in a coalition with the CDU and to go into opposition, so as not to let the "opposition be dominated by the evil AfD" - a losers admittance of no longer being a major party - the only possible coalition seems to be CDU-FDP-Greens. A coalition of pseudo-conservatives, greedy liberal capitalists and multiculturalist pseudo-environmentalists. What could possibly go wrong?
    Not that a coalition between CDU and SPD would have been any better. It's choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea.

    But actually, it doesn't seem like anyone wants actually to form a government. Even the SPD, the Left and the Greens don't want to work together. German politics is basically a cabaret these days. And on its best way to a Weimar situation.

    As for the AfD, it's about time they expel Petry. Hours after the election, she has decided not to sit with the parliamentary group of her own party but to go into "solitary opposition". She had the nerve to publicly declare that in a joint press conference with the other party leaders of whom no one knew anything about it beforehand.
    After declaring that, she left the press conference. Utterly disgusting attitude and a betrayal of her constitutents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theunissen View Post
    One reason the leftists are so pro-immigration and anti ius sanguinis citizenship is to get a steady supply of leftists voters. People that will vote for the promise of "more welfare".
    Naturally this is the case. But it isn't just a citizenship thing: Citizenship alone doesn't qualify you to vote in the German Federal Election either. For example, albeit being a German national, I am barred from partaking in a German federal election because I wasn't ordinarily domiciled in the FRG for at least three months after I became 14 years of age.

    Whilst this provision would ordinarily be a very sane one, safeguarding the principle that only those who aren't just citizens (normally just people of that folk grou0) and reside in a given country. However, considering the fact that they did away with ius sanguinis citizenship by extending it to freely handing it to any off-the-boat child born in Germany, it creates the somewhat obtuse situation where Germans living in foreign countries may not vote whilst foreigners living in Germany may vote. Which is a disgrace.

    In fact, even for those nationals abroad who qualify, they make this ridiculously difficult. The Age-14 cutoff means my future sister-in-law just barely makes the cut-off by a few months, for instance. Neither my girlfriend nor her sister actually received any notification, because they have a habit of sending the notification and forms by which to apply to your last address within the FRG, which is a little pointless. In addition, you have to re-apply for each fresh election and your vote is counted towards the constituency in which you last resided.

    So if you're let's say a Bavarian who lived in Bavaria for 40 years, then lived in Saxony for half a year, and then started living in Switzerland, your vote will always be counted not towards your Bavarian hometown, it will be counted for the Saxon town. Which becomes mildly curious considering that half of basic seats (299 out of 598 - many times there are Überhangsmandate though, the new Bundestag is headed for a 709-MP roster) are handed out on a constituency level.

    Previously the left got votes from lower income natives that were semi-skilled workers or unemployed. With many of their children now working in higher qualified jobs and having better incomes, their voter base was growing thin.
    The interesting part about this is: In Austria for instance, almost every working-class part of town that previously were SPÖ strongholds now all vote FPÖ. In fact, in the first run of the run-off election between Hofer and the Green van der Bellen, this intensified: Hofer received 86% share of the vote of workers, whilst van der Bellen received 81% share of the vote of people with a degree.

    Parties and candidates of the left no longer care about the working class: They care about migrants, and they care about the university-educated folks they've completely indoctrinated to further their agenda into the next generation. They then go around calling their original electorate "dumb and under-educated" - whilst still calling for "social equality" and whilst forgetting it was often their governments who made the education system the way it is.
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