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Thread: Women & the 50 Shades... Phenomenon

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    Women & the 50 Shades... Phenomenon

    Now probly all women have heard about the 50 Shades... phenomenon. Allegedly most women are obsessed with the book/movie. Most popular reading material, etc. There's even psychological articles out there tryin to elude this mystery, like Why Women are Drawn to 'Fifty Shades of Grey' or 7 Scientific Reasons Women Are Obsessed With '50 Shades Of Grey'

    And apparently some folks seem to think that because of this, what women really want is domination/to be submissive to men, etc. Some even go as far as sayin that chicks who read/watch it have rape fantasies.

    Whatcha say? Is it some cheap/overrated erotic fiction, or does it reveal some hidden desire for women to go back to "traditional" roles?

    The Fifty Shades of Grey book gives readers a 'holiday from their husband' according to author EL James

    7 Things Men Can Learn From Fifty Shades Of Grey

    And can men learn something from it? Are women attracted by "strong" types and do nice guys finish last, as the sayin goes?

    Or do men just not understand women and the difference between fantasy/fiction and reality?

    P.S. The poll is for chicks, dudes be so kind to stay out.

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    I think a lot of it comes down to women being attracted to strong men, yes. The violence stuff however is just a fantasy, it's more symbolic. I don't know any woman who would in her right mind want to be hit, "molested" or raped by a man.

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    I think the rape theory is simply bullsh*t. Only someone who knows very little about women's minds would put forward that garbage.

    I'm also attracted to a strong man, my husband is a strong man. But no force fantasies whatsoever. Even in marriage, sex must be consensual. A partner isn't an object which can be abused at any time.

    Yes, a man is head of the family, but no corporal punishment and the like. Women aren't children. A healthy family doesn't concern itself with deviancies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I think the rape theory is simply bullsh*t. Only someone who knows very little about women's minds would put forward that garbage.
    I agree, Most women do like strong men and I think this rape theory is BS to help justify the sick people that want to commit rape. It also tries to humanize the rapist for their inhuman acts.

    There is a cure for rapist and pedophiles and it is called capital punishment, no need for long periods of incarceration or therapy, just thirteen short steps up to a platform and sudden drop with a rope around their neck.

    Edit: Then again this 50 shapes of grey just may very well be another tool to further the agenda of cultural marxism and the downfall of decent moral values.
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    While it could be argued that the character of Christian Grey is a rapist, the book is about the D/s lifestyle and BDSM - not rape. Rape has nothing to do with it. The book shows us a terrible example of a D/s relationship, but it's the author's fantasy. A fantasy many women share. One of giving up control (and hence personal responsibility) and being put in their place by a dominant man they can trust, who draws a line in the sand when they go too far. Someone who is especially dominant when it comes to bedroom activities. Women fantasizing about a man taking charge and demanding submission, especially in the sack, that is hardly a surprise and perhaps the most common female fantasy - it sure beats any fantasies about feminist boyfriends/husbands who are nice and concerned and ask whether "it hurts" or not every 30 seconds, there's nothing sexy about that. It's a turnoff.

    Not sure why this poorly written book became a bestseller, there's no objective reason for it. There are 100.000s of similar stories a single mouse click away, but this run-off-the-mill erotic story became a bestseller.
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    I'd imagine the women who buy into 50 Shades of Grey view of Christian Grey would be different if he was a trashy meth addict living in a run-down trailer in a meth village out in the backwater deserts of California.

    Obviously, "he's rich, tall, handsome, and mysterious" seems to be a key component to his attractiveness. Emphasis on the rich and tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodovech View Post
    One of giving up control (and hence personal responsibility) and being put in their place by a dominant man they can trust who draws a line in the sand when they go too far. Someone who is especially dominant when it comes to bedroom activities. Women fantasizing about a man taking charge and demanding submission, especially in the sack, that is hardly a surprise and perhaps the most common female fantasy -
    Yep, probably has something to do with women's desire to return to "traditional" roles. Feminism and MGTOW not to mention other taboo stuff has become more the rule lately than the exception.

    So chicks wanna return to the "head of the family" who wears the pants in the relationship thing.

    Men Want Women to Be More Traditional - and Women 'Are HAPPY to Be the Housewife'

    it sure beats any fantasies about feminist boyfriends/husbands who are nice and concerned and ask whether "it hurts" or not every 30 seconds, there's nothing sexy about that. It's a turnoff.
    LOL.

    Guess it has to do with the pussifying of modern men and feminist definitions of rape being "rough sex" or "regretted sex".

    Not sure why this poorly written book became a bestseller, there's no objective reason for it. There are 100.000s of similar stories a single mouse click away, but this run-off-the-mill erotic story became a bestseller.
    Probly cause many women just ain't getting any/enough action and/or are missing somethin from their relationships. Read somewhere it was most popular among married folks.

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    This whole 50 shades things is a farce and just another consumeristic ploy.

    What now seems like a lifetime ago, a book and movie came out that was called 9 1/2 weeks and it got much the same hype and publicity as this 50 shades thing. People are told what to buy by the media and they are told what is "riskeh" and taboo by the media. Many of the women/people who are into this 50 shades thing are doing so because they are told to by others under peer pressure and the media.

    I would wager to say that most women would prefer sensual love making to any form of BDSM or S&M or whatever. If you guys and girls don't know what sensual love making is than I truly feel sorry for you as you are missing out on something very special.
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    I don't know anything about this movie,
    nor anything about it's actors, writers and makers.

    My father had been a mentally weak type of person.
    When I had been at the age of around 20,
    I had thought, that everything old had the
    reputation being "Nazi" , and therefore everything
    different would be acceptable.
    I was not successful being "liberal" in that sense.

    Movie making is a business, and for "new" unusual
    products there the money goes.
    So they Hollywood-Gjus are successful implementing
    something more "new" .
    Something faster, louder, higher, etc. is
    "new" in the sense of subjectively not seen yet.
    The past already had such times as in the
    Ancient Roman Empire, but there are no authentic
    film stripes left; compared to the 1920s and afterwards.
    So no money in documentaries of the 20th century
    and before.
    We will still see Hitler documentaries with materiel
    not presented to the public until now, in future.

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    I couldn't say that I find the Christian Grey type attractive, personally, nor do I see how he would qualify as a traditionalist. He is the very definition of materialism and sees women as objects, for self-gratification purposes. His whole outlook is actually rather corporatist. He asks them to sign legal contracts before engaging in relationships with them, listing each and every sexual practice that is required of his partner. He abhors marriage and being "tied down" to a particular woman and gets angry and leaves when his wife reveals that she is pregnant, accusing her of doing it on purpose. He sees their baby as competition, especially as he believes it is a boy, and fears that his wife will "chose" the baby over him. His type is the kind who controls everything in a woman's life: how she dresses, what she eats, when and how much she eats, etc. not to mention that she needs to be at his disposal 24/7, well dolled up and ready to be picked up for sexual acts or other forms of entertainment. This is not a healthy type of relationship IMO. I agree with Bärin that women are not children. Even women who fulfill traditional roles in their relationships need a certain degree of independence and critical thinking. This is also necessary to be a good mother. Unfortunately, often women who get caught in such relationships either never become mothers (for fear of losing their value, which is primarily physical/sexual or because their husbands forbid them) or if they do, rarely get actively involved in their children's upbringing and education (their children are raised by maids and tutors instead).

    As far as BDSM goes, while I am personally not into it either (despite being attracted to strong men) and could see how some people would define it as degenerate, I still wouldn't place it in the same category with rape. BDSM, while deviant, is consensual, unlike rape. Nonetheless, 50 Shades of Grey did spark some controversy and attract criticism for confusing/equating the practice with abuse, as well as depicting incorrect and possibly dangerous BDSM techniques. Wikipedia quotes the following:

    Coinciding with the release of the book and its surprising popularity, injuries related to BDSM and sex toy use spiked dramatically. In the year after the novel's publishing in 2012, injuries requiring Emergency Room visits increased by over 50% from 2010 (the year before the book was published). This is speculated to be due to people unfamiliar with both the proper use of these toys and the safe practice of bondage and other "kinky" sexual fetishes in attempting to recreate what they had read
    Some critics have argued that despite the fact that Ana loves Christian, she doesn't want to be reduced to the status of a submissive toy/slave, that the only reason she accepts to it is out of fear of losing him. There can be a parallel drawn here with victims of domestic abuse who refuse to leave the abusive partner because they love them too much or because they hope their love will change them overtime. So I would say there are some ethical issues with the book.

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