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    Post Re: Ancient Finno-Ugrians neither Mongoloid nor Caucasoid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson
    Some I can, some I can't. I go online at a local college so I do have access to some good stuff.

    Apparently however, I can not access this particular article....

    Sorry.
    Its OK, Dalonord, it was Polak wanted this one. I already know what was meant, by a population that was (previously) outside the Caucasoid and Neomongoloid races.

    I was just curious wether or not yo add access to such things.

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    What were they then?

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    "The genetic heterogeneity and antagonistic traits in Estonians seem to be traces of the original genetic structure of Finno-Ugric ancestor populations which were neither Mongoloid nor Caucasoid." :icon1:

    They must originate from one or the other. Tat-C is said to have originated in Asia, so I would put them closer to Mongoloids in that regard.

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    They must originate from one or the other. Tat-C is said to have originated in Asia, so I would put them closer to Mongoloids in that regard.
    Tat-C is found in abnormally high frequencies among several Siberian populations, although these populations derive virtually all of their maternal lineages from Mongoloid markers, thus suggesting Tat-C was brought to Siberia by North-Eastern European males, perhaps in the Paleolithic.

    Tat-C correlates with blondism among North-Eastern Europeans, and not, as it was previously thought, with Uralic influence. This is corroborated by that fact that Tat-C reaches its highest levels among the Finns (as does blondism), who possess higher frequencies than all Saami populations (those studied include the Swedish and Finnish Saami, as well as those from the Kola peninsula; The Finnish Saami are blonder than both (Coon), and unsurprisingly, possess the highest levels of Tat-C relative to other Saami populations).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tore
    Tat-C is found in abnormally high frequencies among several Siberian populations, although these populations derive virtually all of their maternal lineages from Mongoloid markers, thus suggesting Tat-C was brought to Siberia by North-Eastern European males, perhaps in the Paleolithic.

    Tat-C correlates with blondism among North-Eastern Europeans, and not, as it was previously thought, with Uralic influence. This is corroborated by that fact that Tat-C reaches its highest levels among the Finns (as does blondism), who possess higher frequencies than all Saami populations (those studied include the Swedish and Finnish Saami, as well as those from the Kola peninsula; The Finnish Saami are blonder than both (Coon), and unsurprisingly, possess the highest levels of Tat-C relative to other Saami populations).
    Sources please.

    If Tat-C correlates with high levels of blondism, then are those Siberian populations blond as well?

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    Sources please.
    Here is the study which contains N3 figures for North-Eastern Europeans (as well as Siberians and other populations).

    http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Tambets2004.pdf

    I don't have the study which examines Mongoloid mtDNA among Siberians, although I can provide it later upon further demand.

    If Tat-C correlates with high levels of blondism, then are those Siberian populations blond as well?
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    "Tat-C correlates with blondism among North-Eastern Europeans..."

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    I theorized this about 2 years ago when I said Ladogans/East Baltics/Uralics were neither Caucasoid, Mongoloid, nor a mix of the 2. :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tore
    Don't put words in my mouth.

    "Tat-C correlates with blondism among North-Eastern Europeans..."
    I didn't put words in your mouth, I simply used your reasoning. If blondism correlates with Tat-C and Siberians contain a lot of Tat-C then why aren't they significantly blond? Even tho they are mixed Mongoloids, they should still show significant blondism.

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