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    Hitler Was a Terrible Leader

    About the man, Adolph Hitler. He created an ideology, part of which said that the Aryan race was superior. Hitler rose to power in Germany.

    In the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, American Jesse Owens won four gold medals, outracing the Aryans lined up to beat him.

    Without Hitler, it's difficult to see how World War II in Europe would have become as far-reaching or as deadly. It might not have started at all.

    Hitler fought against French, Polish, British, Russians, and more. All of them white. He fought against Canada and the US. At the time, the US was 90% white.

    Over 40,000,000 white people were killed in World War II, which Hitler had kicked off.

    Some historians believe that if Hitler had stopped before invading Poland, he could have been a successful peacetime leader of Germany.

    Ultimately, Hitler's so-called "master race" lost the war. You can give any excuse you like. They lost.

    Let me address the various strands of viewpoints that visit this board, including the alt right. You should see Hitler as one of the worst leaders in white history. He caused 40,000,000+ white people to die.

    Death count based on Wikipedia, very roughly including only white countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

    Moreover, Hitler's bizarre personal habits helped cause the destruction of Germany, and the mass rape of German women by Soviet troops. If Hitler would have allowed his staff to wake him up for emergencies, he could have ordered that the Allied attack on D-Day be stopped. Instead, he was in bed and his staff were not allowed to wake him, even if Europe was being invaded. Hitler was most likely on the drug that today we call meth. He put his troops on meth. Instead of focusing on taking Moscow and finishing the war sooner, he demanded his troops capture Stalingrad, far to the south, because he disliked Joseph Stalin personally. The Battle of Stalingrad destroyed an entire German army, and began the Soviet counterpunch that ended the war when Soviet tanks rolled through the bombed out husk of the city known as Berlin.

    Hitler had demanded that Germany's new innovative jet plane technology be used for bombers, and not jet fighters. If Germany would have had more ME-262 jet fighters, which were badly delayed in production, that alone might have saved Germany in World War II.

    Hitler made many more mistakes and errors than these.

    Yet, the alt right props up Hitler and his ideology, putting Hitler on a pedestal.

    Hitler would have spit upon the alt right's pro-white point of view. He was for the Aryan race. Hitler hated white people who were not Aryan. Does the alt right support that? Does the alt right think Italians, Irish, and Spaniards and Slavs are not in the white race? Does the alt right support some of its people doing Nazi salutes and wearing Nazi uniforms?

    Hitler was terrible for white people, terrible for Aryans, and terrible for Germany. Over 8% of the entire population of Germany died in World War II. Before someone waves the swastika or puts on the Nazi uniform, or goose steps, then they should at least know the facts.

    If you are going to be pro-white, at least start by throwing Hitler and Nazi ideology out the window.

    I suggest to you a radical notion. White people are not superior, but they are still worth protecting, and the average white person is a far better human being than Adolph Hitler was a leader.

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    Gr8 b8 m8
    There's dozens of threads refuting what you just copypasted.
    Shill harder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Gr8 b8 m8
    There's dozens of threads refuting what you just copypasted.
    Shill harder
    Yup. Wonder why this guy has picked today to return and post this crap after over a year and only 4 posts the month he joined...
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    As Elessar said, there are actually countless threads about the subject. But since this is a lazy sunday, here's my 5 cents to your historical knowledge:

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadian View Post
    In the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, American Jesse Owens won four gold medals, outracing the Aryans lined up to beat him.
    A black guy winning some foot race. What's new? And how is this relevant to anything?
    "Interesting" way to start your argument, though.

    Hitler fought against French, Polish, British, Russians, and more. All of them white. He fought against Canada and the US. At the time, the US was 90% white.
    ...And all of them fought against Germany, at the time 100% White.

    Over 40,000,000 white people were killed in World War II, which Hitler had kicked off.
    Debatable.

    Some historians believe that if Hitler had stopped before invading Poland, he could have been a successful peacetime leader of Germany.
    Yes, I'm sure the other powers would have left a powerful reborn Germany in peace. Like they did in 1914.

    If Hitler would have allowed his staff to wake him up for emergencies, he could have ordered that the Allied attack on D-Day be stopped. Instead, he was in bed and his staff were not allowed to wake him, even if Europe was being invaded.
    Hitler wasn't woken up by staff quite simply because the whole OKW and also the intelligence service deemed the attack in Normandy a diversionary tactic and not a serious threat, with the real attack happening at Calais. As soon as they realised it was a real invasion, they woke him up.

    He put his troops on meth.
    So did the US up to and including the Vietnam War. Applied in small doses and a controlled way, Methamphetamine can certainly increase fighting capacity by combating the need for sleep and increasing stamina. "All substances are poisons; there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy." It was hardly used in the way modern degenerate junkies use it.

    Besides, Pervitin was a new product and it's adverse effects not even fully known. As soon as they were noticed, the doses were further reduced.

    Instead of focusing on taking Moscow and finishing the war sooner, he demanded his troops capture Stalingrad, far to the south, because he disliked Joseph Stalin personally. The Battle of Stalingrad destroyed an entire German army, and began the Soviet counterpunch that ended the war when Soviet tanks rolled through the bombed out husk of the city known as Berlin.
    You should really stop getting your historical informations from The History Channel or "popular science" (an oxymoron if I ever saw one) works.

    Very simply put, Stalingrad was attacked because it controlled the route to the Caucasus oil fields, via the Volga. Something both Russians and Germans but especially the latter, had to rely on for continuing the fight.

    It's true, that the city had an additional symbolic worth but it was entirely secondary and the notion that it was the primary or even sole reason for attacking it, is ludicrous.
    After all, the real guy sat in Moscow and what has likely more of a symbolic effect? Capturing a city coincidentally containing the name of the leader of a country or capturing/killing the real guy?

    They reality is, that Moscow could not be captured at this point and it only would have become a second Verdun. It had been costly enough as it was. Besides, it likely would not have stopped the war anyway. Much of Russia's military industry was already evacuated to the east.

    You have a very "interesting" way of wording, though, putting that much gloating emphasis on the destruction wrecked on Germany. : ))

    Hitler had demanded that Germany's new innovative jet plane technology be used for bombers, and not jet fighters. If Germany would have had more ME-262 jet fighters, which were badly delayed in production, that alone might have saved Germany in World War II.
    I'm sure it had nothing to do with the major engine problems and additional production problems by being bombed day and night and was instead entirely down to evil Hitler.

    Hitler made many more mistakes and errors than these.
    Hitler had his mistakes, yes but you pointed out none of these.

    Hitler would have spit upon the alt right's pro-white point of view. He was for the Aryan race.
    So Hitler didn't conform to the notions of some American White Nationalism made up decades after his death? A very shocking surprise...

    Hitler hated white people who were not Aryan.
    These terms were basically synonmous in Germany back then, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
    Hitler was first and foremost a German nationalist, secondarily a pan-Germanic and thirdly European. That's hardly a secret. But that doesn't mean he "hated" other Europeans as such. Ask someone like Leon Degrelle for example.

    Does the alt right think Italians, Irish, and Spaniards and Slavs are not in the white race?
    No idea but so did your Germanic American ancestors only a few decades ago, btw.
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    Hindsight is always 20/20, especially for those who never personally experienced the historical event in question.

    Also, the victors write the history books to suit their agendas.

    I do know the Third Reich broke the stranglehold the Jew bankers inflicted on Western economics (at least in Europe) while it was successfully extant. To me, this was a remarkable achievement deserving praise. Too bad we can't accomplish this feat on a permanent basis today.
    Aside from an ever increasing number of mortals who have willfully chosen to worship Satan and his minions, our battle has always been against the powers and principalities operating surreptitiously throughout this twisted world.

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    40,000,000+ white people dead.

    His country, his nation, suffering the worst calamity in its entire history.

    And for what? Jewish banking in Europe was dethroned. OK. Could that have not been done without invading Poland? Of course it could have, at least in Germany. If it was a success, why bother forcing other countries to follow suit? They probably would have done so in peacetime.

    The results of the war are the most powerful testimony as to Hitler's failure as a leader.

    Hitler was irrationally motivated by revenge. He sold out Germans and white people so that he could serve an evil cause.

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    Jewish banking system dethroned? That’s a fake statement right there.

    It’s a counterfeiting and extortion engine, thriving on war and debt by faking some sort of premise to engage in the ‘act of war’. If that counterfeiting operation was removed in one location, it would spawn in another, then another, then another. And it has. Hence the countless, pointless wars and deaths prior and since, WORLDWIDE.

    Mr Adolf DIDN’T kill all those people, the war/debt/fake-news/counterfeiters and their mole-d spy-agencies DID. A nation breeds leaders that respond to threats. The entire counterfeiting, war and debt engine IS a perpetual threat. Take that away, we’d all be happy.

    You’ll need to understand one thing, the counterfeiters/extortionists require lies, and those lies must be believable for people to engage in war, then to cover up the historical fact by vomiting new lies thereafter. (The victor trumpets the new pseudo-truth).

    You are spewing nothing but lies, which means you are too cowardly to look at both sides of the story, which means YOU have an agenda here.

    People don’t want to cherish deaths like “Leftist’s” do, we want to find out the real REASON people and nations are murdered/killed/robbed of their future, and that is wholly and solely due to those ‘Counterfeiting Extortionists’. IMF, World Bank, Rothschilds, Federal Reserve (*Insert any debt banking group’s name here*)


    Cut the lies man.

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    Hitler didn't fail because he was Adolf Hitler, he failed because that's what happens when a genuinely nationalist party gets elected. The Allies learned their lesson, and will never let it happen again, hence why we should be completely dismissive of any so-called nationalist part that is allowed to enter mainstream politics.

    As for Hitler's faults:

    Pros:
    - Ambitious economic policies, and though he was undoubtedly backed by Wall Street to some degree he did still manage to drag Germany out of a dire economic situation
    - He was a revolutionary when it came to health and animal rights, supporting smoking bans and vivisection bans (and a ban on wolf-hunting) long before other nations did
    - He was a eugenicist and a social darwinist. He was a realist for the most part, and the NSDAP hated weakness, and not only encouraged but forced everyone to do their duty for their tribe and to better themselves.
    - Sought to weaken the Church and gradually "paganise" it over time (Sorry Catholics, he wasn't Christian and never claimed to be, and blatantly attacked it and its Jewish nature in some cases)

    Cons:
    - He was a socialist and poured money into ridiculously inefficient welfare policies, e.g. rewarding couples for having kids, and if I am right providing new couples with interest free loans so they could get a house and a car. Despite being a Darwinist in theory and on a cultural level, he contradicted this by making people so financially dependent on the State for handouts.
    - Likewise, on a political level, the NSDAP was all for fascism (duh) and heavily centralised government. Despite the romantic and "traditional" propaganda that's very endearing, they were very much for not only preserving civilisation but also for expanding it and industry. They encouraged young men to get fit and strong and take up arms, but ultimately they still made the people slaves and dependent on the Wehrmacht, SS and Gestapo for security.
    - Despite the flirtation with occultism and Aryanism and the very interesting volkisch background that inspired the Third Reich, their pretense of being "Nordic" and "Germanic" is laughable. The Third Reich was very clearly based on Ancient Rome and even more so later Christian empires like the Holy Roman Empire and the Prussian Empire. There was so much potential but instead of reviving Nordic architecture, Speer just erected cold, stark looming classical columns everywhere. As for the attacks on "degenerate art", this also ruined the careers of completely compatible and often pro-Hitler volkisch artists like Fidus. Basically if you weren't regurgitating classical Italian or Greek art, they weren't interested.
    - Germanocentrism and imperialism - As much as Hitler's views of Slavs have been exaggerated, he nonetheless did much to reinforce existing prejudices against Slavs that had been there since the Northern Crusades, and rather invalidated his claims that he was doing it to rebuild and protect Germany when he went on to seize lands in the Baltic for "lebensraum", and "taking back" lands from France such as Alsace, which was stolen in 1871 from the French in the first place.
    - If you were any kind of political dissident or satirist, you would have ended up in a concentration camp.
    - He collaborated with Zionists. While this provides a much better explanation for what they were trying to achieve with concentration camps (expulsion of Jews, which Zionists wanted so they could settle Israel), I think he was very naive to think Jewish lobbies would be less dangerous or malevolent once given their own nation to play with.
    - He was either a druggie or a stubborn fool, or both, when it came to refusing to surrender in the last years of the war. This proved to be a disaster time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadian View Post
    I suggest to you a radical notion. White people are not superior, but they are still worth protecting, and the average white person is a far better human being than Adolph Hitler was a leader.
    why are you here?

    First and foremost if you are trying to preserve your own people you had better have the base belief that we are the best people. No, that does not mean we want others to be destroyed.

    Secondly since I'm not NS and I can say this with full honesty Hitler had both good and bad ideas. The main thing about Hitler was he was a German for Germans and that is the first thing any leader should be. If a leader does not support his own nation and put his own people first, then he is no leader, but a trader like the ones we have running things now.
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    He brought his people back from a humiliating defeat to a world power.
    Our beauty is our power, our strength. We can’t allow them to change us, to lessen us. I will never grant them that satisfaction, and neither should you!

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