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    LOL, a group who call themselves "Defend Europe" from aliens yet brings them on board, and instead of dropping them off in their countries, they bring them to Europe.

    The 1245th "moderate right" group who thinks they will be the ones to make a difference and succeed playing within the system. At the end of the day it's most probably just another empty noise making, just like when those PC "populist" parties before elections, and the whole nationalist scene goes wild, as if it were the second coming of Hitler.

    They think the elites will just allow them to waltz right through and "take action". Assuming they allowed them to play - which I'm not too optimist about, politicians and antifas are already whining about them, so by the end of the year they'll probably be thrown in prison for endangering some alien's life or destroying someone's property, and the same people who went wild will whine once again "it's not fair".

    The 1245th "moderate right" group needs to realize not a lot can be done within the system when the system is against you. You have to play by its rules, and the little effect you have is negligible to them, or they wouldn't allow you to get there in the first place. So in the end, you're either an accomplice to them, controlled opposition, or they kick you out. It seems the moderate right doesn't want to understand who and what is really at fault.

    Anyway, don't be naive, these people probably just rented a ship instead of buying it (which would explain why they have a politically neutral owner, not affiliated with them who provides his own crew and why they have to take those alien apprentices aboard) and are playing seamen with other people's money. They didn't close the campaign when they received their donation goal, in the meantime they got double the amount but they still haven't closed it, they're also selling merchandise on the side, so it could just be a business idea. If the state wanted to step in at this point they'd prosecute not only them, but also the donors, for financing a "neo-nazi" organisation, as it happened to the donors on Thiazi. So, a little light bulb should be blinking.

    If I were a moderate right crook, that's how I'd do it at least. Pick the trendiest theme in the news and politics, and exploit it. Make it credible, by renting a ship, and more suckers would open their wallets. Let's be real, they're not going to stop any of those NGOs. If they're involved in people smuggling, the governments either know or don't care.

    But let's calculate their true impact and prove that one wrong. Have they even returned even ONE immigrant back to the third world? Sunk ONE ship? All we know so far is that they brought 20 thirdworlders in. For all you know they couldt be even doing the same things as those NGOs, and taking your money. Why'd they tell the cops their mission was to save aliens from drowning?

    If they're really genuine and want to do this the right way, they should start by taking real ownership of a vessel and only hire ONLY Germanics and Europeans they trust. No thirdworlders, who cares if they want to do their apprentice there. Is it a charity ship now? If you call yourself Defend Europe but bring foreigners in, and then cry when they cause you problems, you're a joke.

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    It’s truly sad how the few people that are actually trying to do something out there, are immediately bashed by people of our own side, who didn’t take 5 minutes to get even a rough overview of the situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    LOL, a group who call themselves "Defend Europe" from aliens yet brings them on board, and instead of dropping them off in their countries, they bring them to Europe.
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    Anyway, don't be naive, these people probably just rented a ship instead of buying it (which would explain why they have a politically neutral owner, not affiliated with them who provides his own crew and why they have to take those alien apprentices aboard) and are playing seamen with other people's money. They didn't close the campaign when they received their donation goal, in the meantime they got double the amount but they still haven't closed it, they're also selling merchandise on the side, so it could just be a business idea.
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    If they're really genuine and want to do this the right way, they should start by taking real ownership of a vessel and only hire ONLY Germanics and Europeans they trust. No thirdworlders, who cares if they want to do their apprentice there. Is it a charity ship now? If you call yourself Defend Europe but bring foreigners in, and then cry when they cause you problems, you're a joke.
    Obviously they chartered it. Do you even have the slightest idea what buying a half-way seaworthy ship would cost? Equally, obviously, the more donations they get the longer they can stay on sea. Fuel is expensive.

    As for the non-Europeans, simply read Norman Pride’s post, mere two posts before yours:

    “As part of the DEFEND EUROPE mission, we chartered the C-Star, a boat that sails on several seas and oceans. Its crew is composed of several nationalities, something quite commonplace in the maritime world. On board, according to the company, there were also 20 apprentice sailors. They pay to make miles on this ship in order to validate their diplomas. A perfectly trite and legal practice.

    These sailors were supposed to disembark in Egypt, but it was ultimately impossible. So, they took advantage of the stop in Cyprus to leave the ship. We were reported that at the airport, as the apprentices were about to return to their country of origin, NGOs offered them to stay in Europe and apply for asylum, in exchange for promises and money.”


    TL;DR: They were already on board and supposed to leave ship as soon as possible but weren’t allowed to land by Egyptian authorities and instead loaded off at the next stop in Cyprus, from where they were supposed to go home.

    I’m sure they’d prefer an entirely European crew as much as we do but what do you think how many experienced nationalist seamen are available to man and actually steer a whole ship?
    I certainly prefer the temporary usage of “Askaris” to no action at all. That doesn’t have to mean that the non-European part of the crew eventually has any more right to come to Europe than anyone else. The usage of mercenaries has always been commonplace and Askaris are actually a good example of that, or did Lettow-Vorbeck bring his to Germany?

    Sunk ONE ship?
    A very sensible approach. Because the EU would let them do that? They only wait for such an opportunity.
    And what do you think would happen to the larger picture if they did that? It would merely be a further pretext to condemn nationalists and alienate even more people.

    Why'd they tell the cops their mission was to save aliens from drowning?
    Because it’s a way to take the moral upper hand from them, opposed to sinking ships. "Saving from drowning" in this case means, reporting them to the North African Coast Guards that should take them back to the nearest North African coast, in contrast to NGO's whose idea of saving them from drowning is to pick them up 5 miles off the coast and to ship them a few hundred miles to Italy. Slight difference.

    As long as it eventually stops the immigration, I don't care if it's done on a pretext of saving refugees' lives. Which, in truth, can also be a morally valid, but secondary, effect.
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    For those who speak and/or understand German, there's a new video up where Sellner explains what's happened thus far. Was a very interesting watch the say the least. Pretty adventurous stuff going on, in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    I don't understand why they have non-Europeans on board. A European identitarian group should really know better. They should limit the international crew to European countries.
    The ship naturally is chartered and the idea was for these apprentice seamen to disboard in Egypt, which was prevented because the left almost managed to stop things there by claiming there were armed Ukrainian militiamen on board.

    The Tamil crew was always to leave the board whilst outwith Europe, the curious situation where they leave the vessel in waters that are de jure under EU control but de facto under Turkish control, so that NGOs could claim that people attempted to traffic people into EU lands for seeking asylum in Turkey is of course beyond ridiculous.

    They've not even started and already they have problems, which ironically, have to do with the non-Europeans. If those people enter Europe and get granted asylum, they'll be responsible for bringing them here.
    No, the problems had to do with the lies of the NGO officials. Someone seeking to enter Europe as a means of immigration isn't going to officially sail into harbour, disboard the ship and then wait till they're at the airport to seek asylum? Sorry, but that just doesn't happen.

    But, money corrupts, and this is how five of that crew gave in to the bribes on behalf of the NGOs, probably just trying to get some extra money out of the mission, then returning home anyway. Since their was no link of causation, the captain - an activist formerly to have served in a navy - was finally released after two dark days in a Turkish prison cell.

    That being said, following your judgment every travel company that charters a bus to take Chinese tourists through Europe are suddenly people-traffickers if one of the women meets a European men and decides to stay behind. It's disgusting, but the travel company wouldn't exactly be too blame, this was unexpected.

    People shouldn't bash a good mission before it's on tour, least of all for things that are completely normal in international maritime practices and take place whilst still sailing outwith Europen waters.
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    While I don't agree with Ossi's tone, I think he also points out some sad truths... both he and the others who said the system is at fault are correct: as long as those in power oppose nationalism and make it a fringe ideology, as long as they make opposition to immigration taboo, as long as they permit NGOs to bring in illegal immigrants, the actions of a relatively small group and a couple of ships won't stop immigration.

    Even if their actions lead to more support for nationalist organizations and nationalist parties won the elections, even if their people were elected presidents, prime ministers or chancellors, they could still not make decisions like halting immigrations, deporting immigrants or decriminalizing certain ideologies and speech. The system is made in such a way, that a single person or party cannot initiate those changes alone. They would need the support of a majority of congress or parliament. The US has a right-wing president now, but his actions to "make America great again" are limited. He can build a wall, but he cannot prohibit immigration or abolish the Federal Reserve. Then there are some things which one could theoretically propose, but which would be considered so scandalous and out of place that they would cost the country's external relations, like withdrawing support from Israel, for example. Speaking of external relations, European countries are also held accountable via the European Union, and assuming some politically incorrect measure got approved, there would be economic and political sanctions. This is happening right now to those countries which decline to take refugees in. Even assuming a more unrealistic scenario, that a country like Germany would become folk-oriented again and adopt a blood and soil ideology, become autonomous from the EU and not care about the sanctions, they would risk military intervention and be numerically defeated. Israel is currently one of the most powerful states in the world, not by itself but because of its numerous allies, and it supports Jewish communities and organizations in Europe. Germany was defeated in World War II, when nationalist ideology was not taboo, because it basically had most of the world against it.

    Back to Defend Europe, it would indeed have been preferable to have a predominantly or exclusively nationalist and/or European crew, however it's also true that finding nationalist seamen is difficult. How many of us can say that we have predominantly nationalist colleagues where we work or study? If anything, nationalism feels like the minority in almost any circle. Their goal, for now, should be to get along with the crew and find a common denominator, so that at least the former problems can be avoided.

    Anyway, we should hand it to them that they have raised the amount of money they did, in such a short amount of time, and have been proactive, despite PayPal closing their account. Also that they have gained attention and raised concerns on the topic of immigration. An increasing general dissatisfaction with the way politicians handle it might lead to one or two things: nationalism and opposition to immigration becoming less taboo and discussion of "politically incorrect" topics more in the open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    The ship naturally is chartered and the idea was for these apprentice seamen to disboard in Egypt, which was prevented because the left almost managed to stop things there by claiming there were armed Ukrainian militiamen on board.

    The Tamil crew was always to leave the board whilst outwith Europe, the curious situation where they leave the vessel in waters that are de jure under EU control but de facto under Turkish control, so that NGOs could claim that people attempted to traffic people into EU lands for seeking asylum in Turkey is of course beyond ridiculous.

    No, the problems had to do with the lies of the NGO officials. Someone seeking to enter Europe as a means of immigration isn't going to officially sail into harbour, disboard the ship and then wait till they're at the airport to seek asylum? Sorry, but that just doesn't happen.

    But, money corrupts, and this is how five of that crew gave in to the bribes on behalf of the NGOs, probably just trying to get some extra money out of the mission, then returning home anyway. Since their was no link of causation, the captain - an activist formerly to have served in a navy - was finally released after two dark days in a Turkish prison cell.
    I know all that, I read their articles and watched their videos. It still doesn't change the fact though, that non-European people shouldn't be trusted, especially on a European nationalist ship. I know political correctness makes things less flexible, but some strict ground rules should be laid nevertheless. They're not mercenaries or anything like that, they don't support the same cause since they got bribed at the first attempt. Ok, so they don't have to support it. But at least they should respect it enough not to meddle and cause trouble.

    That being said, following your judgment every travel company that charters a bus to take Chinese tourists through Europe are suddenly people-traffickers if one of the women meets a European men and decides to stay behind. It's disgusting, but the travel company wouldn't exactly be too blame, this was unexpected.
    No, that's your judgment. They're not anything like a travel company or leisure ship, they're a European nationalist ship with the specific mission to defend European borders and stop illegal smuggling and bribing of non-European refugees. They're funded by nationalists from all over the world who want the number of refugees to decrease. So, they would have to be a bit more informed than a travel company who couldn't care less about nationalism.

    People shouldn't bash a good mission before it's on tour, least of all for things that are completely normal in international maritime practices and take place whilst still sailing outwith Europen waters.
    I'm not bashing their mission, as I said before I support it. I support any activists that stand up against the multikulti and PC madness. I actually donated and promoted them to all my friends and acquaintances. So, I want their mission to succeed just like anybody else, perhaps even more, since I'm sick of having my children exposed to this garbage. If their mission succeeds, more might follow. But they should be more careful and wary towards foreign people. People continue not to expect to have problems with immigrants, and complain about racism and gross generalisations if someone says there's a pattern, but there really is a pattern. Frankly, I couldn't care less about the 1-2 exceptions who don't fit it. A safer bet is just not to trust them in the first place. If you're stuck with them, expect the worst, and prepare for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    They're not mercenaries or anything like that, they don't support the same cause since they got bribed at the first attempt.

    And they can be bribed again, slit the throats of the identitarian people and throw their dead bodies overboard, which wouldn't surprise me if they manage to get somewhere with their operation.
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    Some updates:

    AQUARIUS, Mediterranean Sea - The ship chartered by a far-right group to “monitor the doings of NGOs” in the Mediterranean has reached the search and rescue zone off the Libyan coast.

    Defend Europe’s vessel, the C-Star, was spotted by the HuffPost UK’s Paco Anselmi who is currently aboard another boat, the Aquarius operated by SOS Méditerranée.

    It is the first time the far-right mission has come into proximity with an NGO rescue ship since it entered the Mediterranean last month.

    The C-Star came within 600-700 metres of the Aquarius before slowing down and changing course.

    Defend Europe is now headed in the opposite direction, headed West towards Tripoli.

    The group has said it wants to find evidence of collusion between the NGOs and people-smugglers operating out of Libya. It is not clear why it did not follow the Aquarius further but it is headed towards an area where another ship operated by Open Arms is patrolling.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0cb15b1beabf0

    The Aquarius, a converted coastguard patrol boat, is operated by French aid group SOS Mediterranee and the international humanitarian organisation Doctors without Borders (MSF).

    Its crew would not comment on whether they regarded the C-Star's proximity as intimidating. Maritime charts indicated the NGO boat's speed doubled in the time the far-right vessel was close to it.

    The two boats were about 20 nautical miles off Libya in an area east of the capital Tripoli.

    French activist Clement Galant posted a video from the boat on Twitter on 1 August in which he says the C-Star will accompany any migrant boat it comes across back to the African coast.

    Forcing a migrant boat that had reached international waters back to Libya, from where most depart, would be illegal under international law.
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/an...ibya-572751021

    I was wondering how the people smuggling is justified from a legal point of view, and here is an explanation:

    Why Don’t NGOs Take Migrants Back to Libya?

    Libya is now the main departure point for many migrants fleeing sub-Saharan African countries for better and safer lives in Europe.

    The Libyan coast guard has taken more than 6,000 migrants attempting sea crossings back to Libya this year. But the nongovernmental groups take the migrants to Italy, whose islands and Mediterranean coast are a few hundred miles from the rescue zone. The organizations say the situation in Libya for migrants is too dangerous, and the United Nations migration agency has backed that up.

    Over the past few years, Libya has become a “torture archipelago,” according to the U.N.’s International Organization for Migration. It is a place where migrants trying to reach Europe face the real prospect of being sold into slave markets, abuse, rape and detention.

    The U.N. has described the migrant detention centers as “inhumane and shocking,” and urged for them to be shut down.

    The E.U. is sending millions of dollars to improve these sites and to properly train the Libyan coast guard. But in the meantime, migrants who are sent back to Libya face the very real prospect of torture and arbitrary detention.

    This is why NGOs have argued against rescues being carried out by the Libyan coast guard.
    https://www.newsdeeply.com/refugees/...-defend-europe

    So apparently they do it based on "humanitarian grounds". According to those NGOs, handing them off to the Libyan coast guard would mean they would be sent to detention camps and "left to rot with little hope of ever making it to Europe".

    Another interesting note would be that the Italian government has already attempted some what Defend Europe aims to do in future, i.e. cooperate with Libya's coast guard in order to curb migrant flows. However, the attempts were rejected and they even threatened to repel any ships that enter Libyan waters. That may also be a reason why these NGOs don't want to return them to Libya, they could be fearing a violent reaction.

    "(We will) provide logistical, technical and operational support for Libyan naval vessels, helping them and supporting them in shared and coordinated actions," defence minister Roberta Pinotti said ahead of Wednesday's parliamentary vote authorising the operation.

    "There will be no harm done or slight given to Libyan sovereignty, because, if anything, our aim is to strengthen Libyan sovereignty," she told parliament, stressing that Italy had no intention of imposing a blockade on Libya's coast.

    Some Libyans reject the Italian initiative, arguing that it is an infringement of their country’s rights. General Khalifa Haftar, who controls most of eastern Libya, threatened to use his own forces to repel the Italians if they enter Libyan waters.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/world/eu...i-migrant-boat

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    An NGO ship off the coast of Libya called 'open arms' pretty much sums things up
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    It’s truly sad how the few people that are actually trying to do something out there, are immediately bashed by people of our own side, who didn’t take 5 minutes to get even a rough overview of the situation.

    Obviously they chartered it. Do you even have the slightest idea what buying a half-way seaworthy ship would cost? Equally, obviously, the more donations they get the longer they can stay on sea. Fuel is expensive.

    As for the non-Europeans, simply read Norman Pride’s post, mere two posts before yours:

    “As part of the DEFEND EUROPE mission, we chartered the C-Star, a boat that sails on several seas and oceans. Its crew is composed of several nationalities, something quite commonplace in the maritime world. On board, according to the company, there were also 20 apprentice sailors. They pay to make miles on this ship in order to validate their diplomas. A perfectly trite and legal practice.

    These sailors were supposed to disembark in Egypt, but it was ultimately impossible. So, they took advantage of the stop in Cyprus to leave the ship. We were reported that at the airport, as the apprentices were about to return to their country of origin, NGOs offered them to stay in Europe and apply for asylum, in exchange for promises and money.”


    TL;DR: They were already on board and supposed to leave ship as soon as possible but weren’t allowed to land by Egyptian authorities and instead loaded off at the next stop in Cyprus, from where they were supposed to go home.
    Bla bla I heard their justifications already, but thanks for the repetition. It highlights how they're justifying themselves like a multiculti or globalist concern would - "perfectly legal practice", "quite common in the maritime world". But they're not supposed to be an ordinary ship that's "quite common in the maritime world". They're supposed to be a ship whose purpose they claim is to make a difference for the nationalist cause.

    Of course buying a ship is more expensive than renting it. Of course having a full European crew is more difficult and takes longer to obtain than a multiculti crew. It's not a game of ship wars or a walk in the park, but it seems they're the ones not aware of it. Missions with that kind of goal for an outreach take more than a few savings of beer money. If you don't have the resources yourself, you have to find supporters and sponsors who believe in your mission, which might take even a few years before you're really ready, unless you're going to find some rich nationalists who agree to fund your mission. Start really only when you're ready, and make a financial plan for your whole trip. The wait will be worth it if you really dedicate yourself to research about what you're doing. Prepare for the worst, assess each risk and have a backup plan for each scenario. Otherwise, if you start something half-arsed, your intentions won't save you. They want to have a say on immigration to Europe but they don't even have a say on who gets to stay aboard their own ship and where to disembark. They want to return aliens to their lands but they can't get permission to enter their waters. If you can't control multicultism and PCness in your own yard, how do you expect to have a say on it European-wide. Cleaning up any mess starts small, with cleaning up your own house.

    I’m sure they’d prefer an entirely European crew as much as we do but what do you think how many experienced nationalist seamen are available to man and actually steer a whole ship?
    Well, they would have found out if they put some effort into it and did their research. Ask all their friends and acquaintances, make an announcement they're looking or even a job opening - there are more than enough nationalists on welfare or who would like to switch to a less corporate, PC job. Post on nationalist sites, blogs and fora, use their own networks etc. and they would have eventually found some people with some experience or knowledge, even basic, which they could have used to deepen. Those aliens were just apprentices anyway, not like they needed to replace 20 ship captains or engineers. And while they're at it, they should also get some legal experts and counsel, especially on maritime laws. They have law students and political science students in their circle, so they should get to work. Antifas already commissioned a legal briefing to outline the exact maritime laws they could be breaking if they go ahead with their mission. Then again, maybe it's expecting too much from someone who relies on 4chan users for research.

    I certainly prefer the temporary usage of “Askaris” to no action at all. That doesn’t have to mean that the non-European part of the crew eventually has any more right to come to Europe than anyone else. The usage of mercenaries has always been commonplace and Askaris are actually a good example of that, or did Lettow-Vorbeck bring his to Germany?
    The usage of mercenaries... LOL. That's not what they were by any stretch of imagination. They were a bunch of trainees on a ship they rented and couldn't kick out because of PCness. Probably some of them didn't even have a clue about the ship's supposed purpose.

    If you want to resort to using mercenaries in the first place, you'd better have enough money to pay them off, and that would be more than what your rivals can offer. You don't buy mercenaries with a few piggy-bank savings of beer money and a few donations, when the price you paid to rent your ship is just change your rivals could spare at any time. This time they got off scot free because it was just some NGOs who bribed them and only a handful took the bait. Those NGOs don't really have a say about someone's asylum status, the smart ones probably realized they couldn't move things around for them. But next time, if the government or authorities decide to bribe them, they can offer them much more - both money and promises. And the media exposure helps them come up with ideas. They now know these people can be bought easily and used to create false accusations.

    A very sensible approach. Because the EU would let them do that? They only wait for such an opportunity.
    And what do you think would happen to the larger picture if they did that? It would merely be a further pretext to condemn nationalists and alienate even more people.
    Those are their goals, so tell them that. That's what they say and write they aim to do, sink their ships. Of course they're going to get busted for it and probably have the whole thing shut down. Then a new campaign opens, "Defend Europe legal defense fund". Wesearchr is full of those too, failed nationalists who get extorted.

    The question stands. On their website, they make it seem like they accomplished something:

    "Since the beggining of the #DefendEurope mission, the situation is evolving extremely fast in the Mediterranean!"

    So what is evolving? If they mean, the trouble they've been having so far is evolving, then they've got that one right. Not the goals they claimed anyway.

    Oh yes, they finally spotted one of those NGOs they claim to want to stop, and followed it a bit around but then decided to change course. So what was that, a boost of intimidation? What happens when the boat starts loading aliens? That I guess would be the time to put their money where their mouth is. Only one issue: they can't steal the aliens off their ship, and they can't arrest the aliens or the ship. What will most probably happen if they meddle with the NGOs actions to bring the aliens aboard, is the NGO will report to the authorities that they endangered their attempts to save the aliens' lives. It happened before, when their French chapter unsuccessfully infiltrated a NGOs mission.

    Assuming they're not controlled opposition, they'll probably get arrested if they ever come close to doing anything, or if they want to make a public example out of them.

    Because it’s a way to take the moral upper hand from them, opposed to sinking ships. "Saving from drowning" in this case means, reporting them to the North African Coast Guards that should take them back to the nearest North African coast, in contrast to NGO's whose idea of saving them from drowning is to pick them up 5 miles off the coast and to ship them a few hundred miles to Italy. Slight difference.
    Yah, well we don't live in a moral society so nobody cares about what they think is the moral upper hand. Those NGOs aren't dumb either, they have a pretext for their presence and for smuggling them into Europe: they were there coincidentally and they take asylum seekers who would be endangered and killed if brought back to Africa, so their altruistic/human/Christian blah blah responsibility is to bring them to safety in Europe. The government knows about the real thing i.e. that they're in contact with smugglers and get the exact location from there, at least the German one is aware of what's happening. But why would they mind it since Mutti Merkel has already been so generous to open the gates and allow the whole continent to be overflown with rapefugees. What's a few hundreds of thousands more mouths to feed, when we have already welcomed millions?

    As long as it eventually stops the immigration, I don't care if it's done on a pretext of saving refugees' lives. Which, in truth, can also be a morally valid, but secondary, effect.
    So how is it going to stop immigration? They could build and bring Trump's wall to Europe, and it still wouldn't stop as long as our nations prostitute themselves.

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    I also wish them the best of luck, but I don't think to point out some of the things that could go wrong, or that could have been done differently should be seen as a deconstructive behavior. We should take criticism constructively, especially if we have, as others said, very ambitious goals.

    It probably would have been difficult indeed to find a nationalist European crew, but in reality nationalists aren't those unintelligent, welfare check takers our detractors make them to be. Maybe not necessarily nationalist, but people with conservative beliefs can be found in all walks of life. The question is of course, how willing are they to be in the open about their beliefs. Would a seaman with nationalist beliefs rather choose a risky and adventurous mission with nationalist goals, or would he choose a safer, more boring commercial position, which would nevertheless grant him enough money for his sustenance and especially that of his family? Unfortunately, front-on opposition of multiculturalism and immigration can have many unpleasant repercussions.

    Anyway, only time will tell...
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