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Thread: What Kind of Lives Did Actual Barbarians Live? (Article on Women's Status Among Barbarians Vs Civilized People)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpearBrave View Post
    You are comparing apples to oranges here, two separate time periods between classical Rome and the Italian Renaissance , and in some ways the "renaissance era" was not a good thing for Germany. You do understand that there is a big difference in "The Renaissance era" from one place to the other and it was not just born in Italy right? The Renaissance era most refer to is dealing with the style of art and cultural shift away from the so called "dark ages" which really were not so dark, much skill and craft was lost due the renaissance era. Germanic culture would have grown on it own without Italian/Roman Catholic influences of the time period.


    The Renaissance was marked by the spread of literacy and rediscovery of Greek and Latin literature. Hence why there are no German philosophers who didn't study Plato, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, etc. It was only after this period that there was a Germanic civilization worthy of emulation.

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    One quote refers to Celts, where the "mjölnir-wearing heathen" draws conclusions that the text doesnt really offer, and the other quotes it's not even clear which people it refers to. Could as well be one of the wild tribes of the north African part of the Roman Empire.

    Whatever, that article is bad at best, and weird propaganda at worst, trying to honeypot those who're repelled by the christian touch of certain allegedly pro-white movements, but then going straight through the roof with diving head first into Islamisation. "White Sharia"? WTF?

    It's a weird trend on DS recently, as well as with Truthout. The last year or so you get to read really freak stuff there, only serving the image of pro-whites being total nutcases. Hijacked? Dont know, dont care, just telling you to stay away from them and not take any of the shit serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    One quote refers to Celts, where the "mjölnir-wearing heathen" draws conclusions that the text doesnt really offer, and the other quotes it's not even clear which people it refers to. Could as well be one of the wild tribes of the north African part of the Roman Empire.
    The point is that gender inequality is not a characteristic of barbarians rather than civilized people.

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    Whatever, that article is bad at best, and weird propaganda at worst, trying to honeypot those who're repelled by the christian touch of certain allegedly pro-white movements, but then going straight through the roof with diving head first into Islamisation. "White Sharia"? WTF?
    Islamization? It's not literal. It's tongue in cheek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    The point is that gender inequality is not a characteristic of barbarians rather than civilized people.
    Yes, indeed. But it's not exactly the point of the article. He makes it look as if "barbarian" women turned men into effiminate weak idiots fleeing from their sexual frustration inflicted upon them by women into sodomy and homosexuality.

    This "image" is the hate message of self-proclaimed "anti-feminists", that type that orders Thai women from the catalogue for being the better sex-slave, uhm, the "more traditional wives".

    Islamization? It's not literal. It's tongue in cheek.
    Yes, it is literal. See above what kind of mindset pops out such thoughts, otherwise they'd also not come up with terms like "white sharia". It's retardism gone through the roof, not more, of a nutcase having failed to get a dance at the highschool ball, y'know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    The Renaissance was marked by the spread of literacy and rediscovery of Greek and Latin literature. Hence why there are no German philosophers who didn't study Plato, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, etc. It was only after this period that there was a Germanic civilization worthy of emulation.
    Nice try the "Renaissance" was more than 1,000 years after the quotes made in the article. Further it was an overrated time period. I'm not here to debate the "Renaissance" at least not in this thread, but I will tell you it was not a great enlightenment that we were taught in mainstream education.
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    No one said the Renaissance was related to quotes in the article. I mentioned it to contrast the two time periods. Which one had the greater Germanic civilization? No contest.

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    So wait, you’re telling me that the barbarians were hugely influenced by women politically? That all their women were living in the lap of luxury via the fruits of their harlotry? That all their men were catamites because their women were so manipulative and rotten, and thus were too weak to keep themselves from being trivially conquered by the Romans?
    Fascinating, how someone could infer that from three random anecdotes about the sexual preferences of some Celts.

    Nevermind, that Rome was actually plundered by the Celts and that it took them centuries to conquer even those mixed Celtic tribes in northern Italy and even that only with the blood sacrifice of whole generations of warriors.
    Diodorus Siculus even, directly preceding the quote, that the Celts have little to do with their women, actually says:
    The women of the Gauls are not only like the men in their great stature but they are a match for them in courage as well.
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    And since the valour of these peoples and their savage ways have been famed abroad, some men say that it was they who in ancient times overran all Asia and were called Cimmerians, time having slightly corrupted the word into the name of Cimbrians, as they are now called. For it has been their ambition from old to plunder, invading for this purpose the lands of others, and to regard all men with contempt.
    For they are the people who captured Rome who plundered the sanctuary at Delphi, who levied tribute upon a large part of Europe and no small part of Asia, and settled themselves upon the lands of the peoples they had subdued in war, being called in time Greco-Gauls, because they became mixed with the Greeks, and who, as their last accomplishment, have destroyed many large Roman armies.
    And Aristotle, in the sentence following the one about women living luxuriously actually says:
    So that the inevitable result is that in a state thus constituted wealth is held in honor, especially if it is the case that the people are under the sway of their women, as most of the military and warlike races are, except the Celts and such other races as have openly held in honor passionate friendship between males
    I “wonder” why this was left out…

    Out of frustration with the cost of heterosexual relationships becoming excessively high and women bullying them with weird superstitions about faeries riding their accessory dogs, barbarian men frequently turned to homosexuality. The word barbarian was steeped in moral disgust. Most barbarians were weak faggots who could not control their women, and as a result were subjugated before the superior Roman physique and ingenuity.
    Well, that’s quite frankly nonsense. Nevermind the about thousand references to Roman “homosexuality”(a concept that did not even exist in the effeminate way we understand it today), compared to the three about the Celts and none about Germanics. Northern Barbarians were usually used as examples of morality among the Romans and certainly weren’t condemned for something the Romans themselves did even more.

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    Greeks and Romans had empires, and their wives in veils, as pagans.
    And southern Europeans and northern Europeans of later eras, as well as non-European cultures, had Empires without women in veils, as pagans or Christians. Your point being?

    Besides that, the evidence for veils, as chador-, burqa- or niqab-style, among Greeks and Romans seems nonexistent in the first place. I must have seen a million vases and statues of those cultures and never saw anything remotely remniscient of that.
    Usually, if they wear anything on their head at all, it’s either a thin headband(especially) or something quite akin to a mantilla(rarely), only covering part of the hair but leaving the face and some of the hair entirely visible. The latter might well be a custom introduced to merely protect from the sun.

    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    The point is that gender inequality is not a characteristic of barbarians rather than civilized people.
    Gender “inequality”, in the sense that men and women have capacities for certain different things, is the natural state of functioning societies, whether “barbarian” or civilised. Accepting that, doesn’t mean one has to “go full retard” and treat women like dirt.

    Islamization? It's not literal. It's tongue in cheek.
    Hopefully all of this article was meant tongue in cheek or flat out satire. Otherwise, whoever wrote this drivel, has the eloquence of a goat and the historical knowledge and intellectual capacity to go with it. In short, he’s exactly what I’d expect from someone who supports “White Sharia”.

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    It was only after this period that there was a Germanic civilization worthy of emulation.
    You obviously buy too much into the “dark” Middle Ages myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    And southern Europeans and northern Europeans of later eras, as well as non-European cultures, had Empires without women in veils, as pagans or Christians. Your point being?
    I was responding to someone whose mind jumps from patriarchy to Abrahamic religion automatically, and that even some of the things often associated these days with Islam specifically in fact have a history in pagan Europe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Hopefully all of this article was meant tongue in cheek or flat out satire. Otherwise, whoever wrote this drivel, has the eloquence of a goat and the historical knowledge and intellectual capacity to go with it. In short, he’s exactly what I’d expect from someone who supports “White Sharia”.
    I think it's shock value with a bit of truth. It's over the top and silly, but surely you get the point.

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    I understand the shock value of it as wider rhetorical device, yes. But what is the point in being so over the top, that no one could possibly identify one's real ideas? Surely, they could get their point across without appearing entirely ridiculous, without watering down their message entirely.
    What exactly do you think they want to get across with "White Sharia"?
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    The primary obstacle to waking people up is emotional conditioning, not logic.

    Daily Stormer makes everything else look moderate by comparison, destroying the conditioning that says anything remotely pro-White is extreme.

    Then there's the fact that DS is entertaining, so it keeps people coming back as it chips away at the conditioning. And objectively (based on web traffic), it destroys a site like Amren in popularity (especially among the young).

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