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    Map of East Asian Admixture in Europe



    So apparently Scandinavians are more Asian than Belarusians.

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    Sami's, Inuit's and Gypsos were obviously sampled.
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    Are there Sami in Denmark?

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    No. At least nothing significant. However, Danes host a lot of Greenlandic Inuits and there are also large populations of Gypsies in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mööv View Post
    No. At least nothing significant. However, Danes host a lot of Greenlandic Inuits and there are also large populations of Gypsies in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense.
    I don't think it's counting minorities. Clearly it's not counting Chinese in Britain.

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    Eupedia/Maciamo Hay is notorious for making up much of his maps. Especially his clines within countries are entirely arbitrary because his sources usually only have a pooled sample for the whole country. In most cases he doesn't even name his sources, though, which robs his maps of any credibility.

    Here he named the source, the Dodecad Project, but if you look there, you won't even find “East Asian” proper.
    You’ll only find Northeast Asian and Southeast Asian, two components that obviously are very different and Danes weren't even tested. Even so, Norwegians and Swedes seem indeed to carry a miniscule amount of Northeast Asian (0,7% and 0,5% respectively) and Southeast Asian (0,1% each):



    That is indeed higher than among some of the Slavs but it’s, on a level that might well be mere "noise"(basically everything below 1%).


    You can find East Asian in the Dodecad globe13 results, though:



    No Germanic/Celtic population carries an East Asian component but all Slavs and Finno-Ugrians do.

    What Norwegian and Swedes seem to carry, are again miniscule levels of Arctic and Siberian, likely either due to admixture with Sami or due to higher Eastern Hunter Gatherer ancestry from ancient times. Again, it could also be noise, just like Amerindian among some Brits or Australasian among Brits and Germans. Whatever way you look at it, it’s not a significant amount.
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    Actually not all Slavs are listed. But those that are, have small East Asian admixture which is just noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    I don't think it's counting minorities. Clearly it's not counting Chinese in Britain.

    The ones considered "native" only (or long established).

    But as Juthunge said, who is more familiar with the person behind it, it is simply made up.
    And it's based on the general population distributions of the minorities I mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasa View Post
    Actually not all Slavs are listed. But those that are, have small East Asian admixture which is just noise.
    Yeah, with “all” I meant, of those listed. Looking at the Dodecad K12 list again, the “Balkans” sample seems also to carry Northeast and Southeast Asian admixture at levels of 0,4 and 0,5%, respectively.
    It could still be noise but since it occurs on a quite constant level, with expected “peaks” in more eastern Slavs, it’s likely to be real. Although indeed, on an insignificant level among Western and Southern Slavs and Belorussians.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mööv View Post
    The ones considered "native" only (or long established).

    But as Juthunge said, who is more familiar with the person behind it, it is simply made up.
    And it's based on the general population distributions of the minorities I mentioned.
    With made up, I rather referred to other maps from Eupedia. It was a bit of an unrelated “rant” that was perhaps out of place here.

    “East Asian” on this map is a bit of a misnomer though because it lumps together two components that aren’t the same.
    I’m sure they didn’t use actual foreigners for any of these populations at the Dodecad Project, though. But it does rely on self-reported ancestry and I think some of the samples might be from Colonials, who could possibly also carry ancestry from other populations. We have to be cautious but the results seem reasonably accurate.


    You’d also generally have to take into account geography, though, especially in Scandinavia. Whereas some of the Northern Swedes and Norwegians might carry increased amount of Siberian, Arctic, Northeast and Southeast Asian or whatever you want to call it, most of their more southern countrymen might not carry any at all. In Eastern Europe this might be more evenly spread among the populations because the mobility there was much higher and the admixture is probably older.

    We’re mostly talking about level of admixture though, that fall essentially within a standard deviation of accuracy for these tests. It’s not really worth discussing.
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