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    Is New Guinean IQ Really 83?

    Their average IQ appears to be higher than that of some Caucasoid populations like India (82), or Lebanon (82). It's also much higher than that of the [edit: not very] closely related Australian aborigines whose average is 64.



    Also, do these blue eyes denote a Nordic origin? Atlantian perhaps?

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    Its supposed to be similar to Peru's or Egypt's national average. Whilst this might not confirm Diamond's claims about Yali its not entirely surprising because they were horticulturalists and irrigators.

    I don't know. Brain size does correlate with intelligence and cranial capacity has declined globally since the Pleistocene. Most HGs live in shit tier areas such as the Australian deserts as do other low IQ groups such as Tungus reindeer herders. It is important to know that Arctic HGs with better diets have insasnely high IQs compared to say San or Pama-Nyungans. It is a reminder that modern HGs might not represent our Pleistocene ancestors very well before assuming intelligence went up with civilisation, and I'm not sure how much environment is directly responsible and how much is natural selection in different environments. Animal protein was presumably important as meat consumption spurred or at least allowed the evolution of larger brains in hominins. Remember that despite the popular idea of Kalahari or Australian natives as man the hunter they are tilted towards the gathering end of things, unlike the European and Amerind ancestors identifiable in the Pleistocene. One might predict our own Ice Age ancestors were already smart due to their high meat diet whilst whoever lurked in deserts and rainforests already wasn't. The same might be presumed for Neanderthal man with a caveat that they lacked fishing harpoons to increase their intake of Omega 3.

    My understanding is New Guineans have ready access to animal protein such as cuscuses and fish as well as domestic pork, chicken and dog meat as well as vegetable crops but no grains, and must plan their gardens with stone age technology. Its far from the worst diet and the culture has been described as seasonal which implies a need to plan ahead.

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    I see that other Melanesian groups have similar averages, like Solomon Islands (84) and Fiji (85), so they don't seem to be such an anomaly. In fact it's the Australian aborigines themselves who are the odd ones among Australoid groups.

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    Yes and pure Abos are now rare at that. A lot of them live in suboptimal ecologies as I explained. Few Aboriginal Australian groups had a particularly high meat intake at the level probable for Ice Age people though they did hunt kangaroos and emu. (Most hunter gatherer economies practiced today would never leave the same kind of archaeological record, as Aurignacian, Magdalenian or Clovis.) So I think Australian IQ is partly adaptation to an environment where brain tissue is energetically costly, and partly the direct result of a poor environmnt upon phenotype. John Baker once stated as fact that Abos have a different brain structure than other races as an adaptation to tracing scents. This makes sense especially as dogs came late to Australia, but it would be nice to confirm it and know if Melanesian populations have the same adaptation.

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    The relation with Australian abos is actually distant.


    Though it seems odd that New Guinea and Melanesia are classified as separate when New Guinea is Melanesian.

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    Yes it is despite the availability of watercraft and the former geological connection to NG. Mind you NG is biogeographically distinct from the Australian mainland and likely was in the Pleistocene. Ecology does seem to predict where genes flow. I don't imagine the Austronesian expansion changed them much because the incoming Austronesians went native and the AN languages spoken there are coastal. It has also been questioned that they are truly Austronesian.

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    Abo vs New Guinean women:


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    Among differences the PNG people possess more prominent noses and smaller mandibles. They are nonetheless close relatives and you might think of Aboriginal Australians as rugged whilst the PNG people gracilised. Australians have a more pronounced glabella and superciliary (brow) ridges.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...38240600564987

    The physical anthropology literature reveals considerable disagreement on whether discrete biological races, or subspecies, exist within Homo sapiens, and which races to recognize if they do exist. The authoritative work on zoological taxonomy by Mayr and Ashlock defines a subspecies as ‘an aggregate of phenotypically similar populations…inhabiting a geographical subdivision of the [species’] range and differing taxonomically from other populations of that species' (1991: 43). Our analysis of cranial average measurements, in combination with other biological data, indicated that the autochthonous populations of the southwest Pacific would be more likely to satisfy Mayr and Ashlock's definition than any other division of humanity. Five tests (using individual cranial measurements) were then performed to confirm (or falsify) the hypothesis that the southwest Pacific indigenes would qualify as a distinct race. In all cases, the test results tended in the direction of confirmation of the hypothesis, but it was not always clear that the results were sufficiently strong to qualify as full confirmation. One positive result however clearly emerged: Australian crania dated to approximately 10,000 years ago cannot be considered specifically Australian, based on their measurements, but they can be regarded as distinctly southwest Pacific.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...50330/abstract

    Local biological variation is marked in Melanesia. Some of it may result from gene flow from Micronesia, but the essential variation appears to result from isolation due to social fragmentation, and to genetic drift in place. In different regions, the variation may correspond well with language relationships, and probably constitutes differentiation which has been preserved over a considerable period, especially since the arrival of horticulture and development of village farming. However, none of this patterning suggests distinct waves of migration into Melanesia.

    Variation among Australian aboriginal groups is smaller, though far from absent. It may reflect a hunting culture together with social customs allowing more intertribal marriage than is typical of Melanesia. While phenotypically Australians and Melanesians differ, cranially they are closely allied, as against other major human groups.

    It is suggested that the genetic and phenotypic variety is old, that it existed in the previous home of the Australo-Melanesians (Old Melanesia, comprising present Indonesia and the Phillipines) at least back to 40,000 years ago, and that much of the variation in Melanesia and Australia, including their differences, results from the sampling process involved when different groups out of the original populations made early crossings of the water barriers from Old Melanesia.

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    I'm closing this thread because - besides being far from in the correct section - this thread is alien to the Mission Statement and/or far from being relevant in a Germanic context (except very limitedly so, in the case of PI-immigration into Australia) and this type of posting has alas multiplied of recent.

    Especially distasteful IMHO is the attempt to create a European link of the Kanak people on the basis of blue eyes. All blue eyes in the Melanesian area are the direct result of either purely genetic chance, or alternatively, very limited inter-marriage in the days of German colonial days.
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