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    I've never been into the entire 4-Chan, 2-Chan or 8-Chan craze because I prefer to conduct my online activism somewhat more up-tone and high-brow and consider the metapolitical usefulness of the interwebs to be more efficiently loaded with the stronger, and more level-headed argument instead of acting just like the immature kids those in charge of public opinion would have us to be. Troll attacks, likewise, can be a fun thing to watch, but nothing for me. I'm too old for that crap.
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    I still can't fully understand 4chan-pol, the Altright, and why it's so important. The site shock me and I only hear about it when the media said that they were somehow responsible of the elections of 2016, and the memes, pepe the frog, the NPC last year.

    I have been studying this ethos for two years and it's still complicated to get used to their own language and slang.

    So I'm still interpreting them just as a their own niche of people that create memes and react against PC culture. Nothing new, but nothing serious or with real implications in daily life.

    The same for Reddit. I get lost on the reddit-4chan format.

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    The "Alt-Right" has been controlled opposition since day one - all you have to do is look at the ideological heavyweights in the movement, Richard Spencer in particular. The guy is a card carrying Zionist. The others in the top brass like therightstuff.biz, while espousing apparently anti-Jewish sentiment, in reality treat it as a mere joke. When listening to their show it becomes clear that in reality they are nothing more than retarded loudmouths who push Zionist politicians and the (((Republican party))). The ring leader of the site, Mike "Enoch" (Mike Peinovich) is also married to a Jew.

    4chan isn't any better. Due to its popularity, for the last several years it has been used in a massive psyop campaign to push controlled opposition groups and their puppets. It has become so successful that it has pushed all of the old users off of the site. In fact, the new users are so brainwashed that they may not even have to directly control the site anymore, as the sheep are on autopilot. I've found 8chan to be an interesting alternative, but mostly as a literary resource due to the amount of MEGA archives that are shared on the /pol/ board. The community itself isn't much better than 4chan's, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    The "Alt-Right" has been controlled opposition since day one - all you have to do is look at the ideological heavyweights in the movement, Richard Spencer in particular. The guy is a card carrying Zionist.
    How so? Because he appeared on Israeli television, proclaiming he wanted an ethno-state for Whites similar to what Israel is for the Jews?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    The others in the top brass like therightstuff.biz, while espousing apparently anti-Jewish sentiment, in reality treat it as a mere joke. When listening to their show it becomes clear that in reality they are nothing more than retarded loudmouths who push Zionist politicians and the (((Republican party))).
    The guys at TRS attack the GOP all the time and call them out on their BS. TRS are pumping out so much counter-semitic material and information, which otherwise would be unknown to even a large part of White Nationalists, that I can't conceive of how one could possibly consider them as Jewish shills unless one actually hasn't paid much attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    The ring leader of the site, Mike "Enoch" (Mike Peinovich) is also married to a Jew.
    He was married to a half-Jew. She even contributed to one of their comedy skits at one point, which contained highly anti-semitic rhetoric. Anyway, they got married long before Mike's red-pilling and are now divorced.
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    I'm not a fan of 4chan's /pol/, and mostly see it as a place where people shout racial slurs into oblivion, without giving any real cultural or political conversation.

    The Alt-Right is so disorganized, and more of an umbrella term, that it's hard to see where I stand on it. Some of the central speakers like Richard Spencer are interesting to listen to, but I don't think they're the movement to bring about much large political change, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    How so? Because he appeared on Israeli television, proclaiming he wanted an ethno-state for Whites similar to what Israel is for the Jews?
    I wasn't referring to that quote specifically. I was referring mainly to a livestream (The Public Space, I think) in which he denounces "antisemitism". Though I may be mistaking him for someone else. I'm willing to admit that I may be wrong on the card carrying Zionist front.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    The guys at TRS attack the GOP all the time and call them out on their BS. TRS are pumping out so much counter-semitic material and information, which otherwise would be unknown to even a large part of White Nationalists, that I can't conceive of how one could possibly consider them as Jewish shills unless one actually hasn't paid much attention.
    The anti-GOP rhetoric used by TRS seems to be a way to save face, rather than a legitimate stance. If they were truly anti-political, they wouldn't be telling their followers to "GO OUT AND VOTE! THE GOP IS A CRYPTO WHITE NATIONALIST PARTY WITH TRUMP IN CHARGE! THEY ARE REALLY JUST BASED AND FASHY BOOMERS USING DOG-WHISTLES!"(ą la Andrew Anglin and his Virgin Democrat vs Chad Republican meme he used as his website's banner in the last election. Their "counter-semetic material" seems to also be a facade to save face. They simply parrot things that a would be listener already knows, like pointing out Jewish influence in the media. They mix that with some "cool edgy Nazi humor!" and package it up in a little 3 minute skit. If that is the best "counter-semitism" we can muster then we truly are doing an exceedingly poor job at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    He was married to a half-Jew. She even contributed to one of their comedy skits at one point, which contained highly anti-semitic rhetoric. Anyway, they got married long before Mike's red-pilling and are now divorced.
    Writing anti-semitic humor doesn't mean anything if there is no real substance behind it. What are their solutions for the Jewish Problem? I haven't heard anything concrete.

    I've listened to tens of hours of alt-right podcasts, BTW - mostly because at my last job I had the opportunity to wear headphones due to the solitary nature of the work. So my criticisms aren't due to myself not being exposed to it, more so, a bad case of over-exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volk und Rasse View Post
    I still can't fully understand 4chan-pol, the Altright, and why it's so important. The site shock me and I only hear about it when the media said that they were somehow responsible of the elections of 2016, and the memes, pepe the frog, the NPC last year.
    Pepe the frog was the logo of gab.com (twitter alternative), and while the site became another victim of the Squirrel Hill Synagoge shooting, it panicked the mainstream quite successfully, to the point of being completely deplatformed (website hoster, third party services, bank accounts, everything, incl 'docus' in mainstream tv how gab is dangerous). It's back up, but while it still promotes itself as the last resort of free speech of the internet, it is not really anymore. Regardless, it helped expose the "bias" against anything remotely "conservative" by MSM, companies and politics and the controversy red-pilled quite a lot of people.

    The NPC meme was another great success to drive the leftist mainstream mad. We have a thread about it somewhere, where all the great fun is neatly collected.

    The Alt-Right itself is not some kind of unified movement. The "unite the right" rally in Charlottesville has made that very clear. There are this or that people and kind of activists who're commonly subsummised under alt-right who probably are not. Still, it is important because it is the root movement for all the various split-offs that sprung up from it meanwhile, like Carolyn Emeric's Folk-Right or the more or less outright nationalsocialist-leaning RedIce, or simply for fun when Mr PrisonPlanet (Paul Joseph Watson) riles himself up in one more funny video.

    Then there are websites like counter-currents.com, who existed long before there even was the "alt-right" term around, which are counted among them.

    4chan gave birth to the highly suspicious Q-Anon followership movement (which exists mostly on youtube, however), but it should be viewed with some distance. Microship (gab.com/microship) claims to have been the "original" Q of the first handful posts, but apparently the Q-thing has been taken over by someone else.

    Unrelated, but it first came to wider knowledge through Q, is the great Deep State Map (youtube has some enlightening videos incl two with interviews of the actual maker), for those interested in "conspiracy theories" and how things work behind the scene, what motivates the people behind the curtain etc, this is a great thing.

    So I wouldnt say 4chan or the alt-right dont have real life implications. But like with everything, one shouldnt take everything for truth without further research. Still, both things have done a good deal in red-pilling a lot of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    The anti-GOP rhetoric used by TRS seems to be a way to save face, rather than a legitimate stance. If they were truly anti-political, (...)
    The guys at TRS don't push an anti-political stance. As long as I've followed them, since 2015, they've always had political change as a part of their agenda. It was a different story in their an-cap days, but getting woke to race realism and witnessing the ascent of Trump changed all that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    (...) they wouldn't be telling their followers to "GO OUT AND VOTE! THE GOP IS A CRYPTO WHITE NATIONALIST PARTY WITH TRUMP IN CHARGE! THEY ARE REALLY JUST BASED AND FASHY BOOMERS USING DOG-WHISTLES!"
    TRS criticize boomers all the time, especially those in the GOP, and pretty much characterize them as the generation that has ruined the West. But either way, do you see a better alternative for White Americans today than the GOP? It is the only large political entity that even entertains politics that might be beneficial for Whites. So until White Americans can get an explicitly White Nationalist party up and going, I don't see any other reasonable manner to use one's vote. Does that stance make me a part of the (((controlled opposition)))?

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    Writing anti-semitic humor doesn't mean anything if there is no real substance behind it. What are their solutions for the Jewish Problem? I haven't heard anything concrete.
    You mean as a final solution? Kicking them out and shipping them to Israel. But of course, before any such measure is to be considered realistic, one needs to have the will of the people on the same side. Breaking down the taboo around criticizing Jews is step #1. They've been doing this for years, as the creators of the triple parentheses, for one. Their comedy skits and parody songs might seem just goofy and immature to some, but humor is key to breaking down people's emotional and intellectual barriers.

    In the eyes of the average Joe, people who espouse White Nationalism and counter-semitism are just nazis-who-want-to-kill-six-million-jews, and have been dehumanized for generations. But if one of these people can make you laugh, you'd be hard pressed to consider them inhuman, and might be a bit more willing to treat them as a normal human being instead.

    People seem to think that it's possible to conjure up some perfect grand scheme to counteract our problems, based on scientific and mathematical models. And if we only can word ourselves just right, and plan everything out to the outmost detail, people will suddenly see it our way. Unfortunately, there isn't. It's just a long battle of steadily shifting the discourse, culture and general opinion to our favor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Autist View Post
    I've listened to tens of hours of alt-right podcasts, BTW - mostly because at my last job I had the opportunity to wear headphones due to the solitary nature of the work. So my criticisms aren't due to myself not being exposed to it, more so, a bad case of over-exposure.
    "Alt-Right podcasts" is a bit too broad for me to say anything about. Sure, you have people producing content on a wide spectrum of political and ideological stances. But if we're talking about TRS in particular, I really can't relate to your perception of them. And that's after listening to probably 300+ hours of their content. Not to be "swinging swords", or anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    How so? Because he appeared on Israeli television, proclaiming he wanted an ethno-state for Whites similar to what Israel is for the Jews?
    The problem with this approach is that it legitimizes Israel's existence. Israel is not a state in the slightest. They didn't conceive it as a place to live in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    The guys at TRS attack the GOP all the time and call them out on their BS. TRS are pumping out so much counter-semitic material and information, which otherwise would be unknown to even a large part of White Nationalists, that I can't conceive of how one could possibly consider them as Jewish shills unless one actually hasn't paid much attention.
    Isn't the TRS run by a Jew? And if I'm not mistaken, they used to mock their own readers with their randomized site tagline.

    I would wager that Unz Review, although also run by a Jew, distributes better material than Alt-Right circles. Where can I find a list of books recommend by TRS? I wish to properly gauge the content of the site. Diversity Macht Frei's book listings furnish a good example of what isn't "counter-semitic". Books authored by Jews and books about history. When providing books authored by Jews, cautionary commentary should be included as a reminder. People don't learn from history, moralistic books about Churchill only foster sentimentality and one-sided bias. The rubbish served up by the pseudo-intellectual Counter-Currents website also has good examples of what isn't "counter-semitic". Semitic Controversies (linked with the site PuritySpiral, which consists of former Alt-Right/DailyStormer people) is the only site that I'd be willing to endorse since it traces antipathy for Jews in antiquity, both pre-Christian and Christian:

    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspo...cient%20Greece
    https://semiticcontroversies.blogspo...Ancient%20Rome

    Usually direct memoirs, quotations, primary sources will be more useful than reading what other people had to say about the person in biographies.

    "Counter-semitic" material must always be cultural. Usually these truly cultural books are obscure, rarely publicized or translated, rarely promoted in either mainstream or revisionist circles. For instance: Diogenes' Lamp by Adam Weishaupt, Die Bergpredigt by Johannes Elmau Müller, Power by Bertrand Russell, and What is Called Thinking? by Martin Heidegger. Dangerous testimony like Uriel da Costa's Examination of Pharisaic traditions, Maurice Joly’s 1864 satire, and the works of the Jew Rathenau remain largely inaccessible to the public afaik. People will always be more dangerous as individuals than as a mass-movement, especially if they have personal initiative behind it.

    White nationalism is an American aberration that precludes the historical context and cultural heritage of Europe. Unity solely on the basis of "white identity" isn't going to work, as Kurt Ludecke has so lucidly pointed in his memoirs. That just reduces the conflict with Jewry to a racial antipathy. It'd be a mistake to interpret the conflict between NS and Jewry this way. The antithesis between Socialism and Judaism goes way back, it's an intertwined fate.

    A total reformation of Christianity and rehabilitation of Jesus Christ as a non-Jewish historical personage is necessary to revitalize all other religions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    You mean as a final solution? Kicking them out and shipping them to Israel.

    But of course, before any such measure is to be considered realistic, one needs to have the will of the people on the same side.
    Absolutely not. The climate with it's barren living conditions would only strengthen them. It couldn't fit all of them. The land already belongs to the Palestinians.

    The establishment of a world ghetto must be in a suitable climate which weakens them (less pressure to their survival instincts, less opportunities to develop the lie) and should be far from any place which would legitimate Jewish "prophecy". Emperor Tiberius' expulsions furnish a historical example of how climate can be weaponized against the parasites.

    I agree with the subsequent statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Breaking down the taboo around criticizing Jews is step #1. They've been doing this for years, as the creators of the triple parentheses, for one. Their comedy skits and parody songs might seem just goofy and immature to some, but humor is key to breaking down people's emotional and intellectual barriers.
    Apparently, the humour directed towards their own peculiarities is actually a small step in attempting to understand themselves, although a very superficial attempt.

    Humour is liberating and fundamental for a great statesman/religious founder/reformer. "A sense of humour and a propensity for laughter are qualities that are indispensable to a unit." (Hitler's Table Talks) Of course, the Jewish kind of humour is vulgar and a caricature.

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