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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Taleb says Trump forewarned the Russians so the Syrians could evacuate and this is thus all for show?
    Even if the story is true it doesn't mean that the attack had no military objective. The objective may have been to damage Syria's ability to wage war but not necessarily to kill the maximum number of soldiers.
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    Daily reminder of why we all shouldn't die in a house fire, when you could throw more meat sacks into the war blender and give some blood profits to some whinging parasites.

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    TASS

    MOSCOW, April 7. /TASS/. Russia suspends the Memorandum on preventing incidents and ensuring flights safety during operations in Syria earlier signed with the United States in the wake of the US strike on the Syrian airbase, the Russian Foreign Ministry reported on Friday.

    "The Russian side suspends the memorandum on the prevention of incidents and on ensuring the safety of flights in the course of operations in Syria, concluded with the United States," the statement runs. "We urge the United Nations Security Council to meet in urgent session to discuss the current situation."

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    I didn't vote for this kind of nonsense when I voted for DJT.
    'Militia est vita hominis super terram [The life of man upon earth is a warfare] (Job 7:1).'

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God View Post
    The U.S does not use chemical weapons against civilian targets, or against any targets for that matter. If they did you can be sure there would be a worldwide outcry. There was an immense outcry when they used napalm in Vietnam and that is not even generally considered a chemical weapon.
    The US indiscriminately poisoned swathes of Vietnam with Agent Orange and god knows what else.
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    I think people are blowing this all out of proportion; this was a limited action by Trump to punish Assad for using chemical weapons.

    People are asking why Assad would use chemical weapons considering how his army has retaken parts of Syria, but is army is depleted from causalities and deserters, he's still struggling and still not in a really strong position. It makes sense to me that he'd want to instill fear in his opponents in an attempt to get them to flee the country, leading to more "refugees" heading to Europe, which I doubt Assad or Putin care about, it's in Putin's interest to destabilize Europe after the EU enforced sanctions against Russia. Assad is hardly a stranger to using heavy-handed tactics but that's inconvenient to those who parrot Kremlin propaganda. After Obama's unsuccessful half-arsed approach, the U.S. saying they accept Assad staying in power, and Russia offering Assad support; Assad thought he could get away with but Trump called his bluff.

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    I think there are two possible outcomes.

    1. This was a single act of punishment and a way for Trump to position himself as a force to be reckoned with. He will use this position to negotiate better deals towards stability. The attack would in this case be a very risky endeavour and it would presume great intelligence and tactics for a succesful follow up.

    2. This is the most likely outcome. Trump has been compromised by the neocons. Flynn is gone (he accused the rebels, not Assad, of using chemical weapons a couple of years ago) and Kushner has gained influence at the expense of Bannon. Trump has proven not to have enough character when confronted by so much opposition. He has been attacked on so many levels, by use of so many lies, that he has now used the opportunity to get some good publicity. He knew that by doing this, the press and his opponents would be more on his side. He has put aside his principles in order to improve politically. But, it was dumb. Relations with Russia will worsen, the Islamic State might even benefit from it and it will be the beginning of an even larger war in, and perhaps outside, Syria. Seems we are stuck with Hillary after all.

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    Especially worrisome is, that he not only attacked at all but that he acted on mere rumours – whatever really happened - three days after the incident, which didn’t directly affect any Americans or even Westerners.

    This time, they didn’t even keep up the pretence of sending some sort of allegedly “unbiased”, international investigation committee to the area but simply believed some dubious rebel-terrorist groups and pictures of dead children.

    Remember, that this guy has the world’s largest amount of nuclear warheads at his disposal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernhard View Post
    2. This is the most likely outcome. Trump has been compromised by the neocons. Flynn is gone (he accused the rebels, not Assad, of using chemical weapons a couple of years ago) and Kushner has gained influence at the expense of Bannon. Trump has proven not to have enough character when confronted by so much opposition. He has been attacked on so many levels, by use of so many lies, that he has now used the opportunity to get some good publicity. He knew that by doing this, the press and his opponents would be more on his side. He has put aside his principles in order to improve politically. But, it was dumb. Relations with Russia will worsen, the Islamic State might even benefit from it and it will be the beginning of an even larger war in, and perhaps outside, Syria. Seems we are stuck with Hillary after all.
    Indeed, just look at the Washington Post(remember, they adopted “Democracy dies in darkness” as their motto, in response to Trump) and their praise. It’s revolting how much he has betrayed his principles, if he had any to begin with:


    Trump’s chance to step into the global leadership vacuum

    PRESIDENT TRUMP’S decision to strike a Syrian air base in response to a chemical weapons attack by the regime of Bashar al- Assad was right as a matter of morality, but it could also yield a host of practical benefits. The Assad regime may be deterred from again using deadly gas on civilians — a heinous war crime that, if tolerated, would make not just Syria but the world more savage.

    Russia and Iran should have new cause to consider whether they will continue backing the blood-drenched Damascus dictator, or cut a deal to get rid of him. Other rogue regimes and their sponsors will have to recalculate how the United States might respond to their provocations. How convenient that Chinese President Xi Jinping, who props up North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un while conducting a slow campaign of aggression in the South China Sea, had a ringside seat in Mar-a-Lago as Mr. Trump boldly acted.

    Perhaps most importantly, U.S. allies now have reason to hope that Mr. Trump could fill the leadership vacuum, in the Middle East and beyond, left by President Barack Obama’s decision not to enforce his own red line on Syria’s use of chemical weapons.
    It is little wonder that Mr. Trump’s action was cheered from Britain to Germany and from Israel to Japan — and by congressional Democrats as well as Republicans.
    Even the snarling response from Vladi¬mir Putin’s Kremlin looked skin-deep, particularly as the Pentagon took care to warn Russia’s forces in Syria in advance.

    What’s unknowable is whether Mr. Trump’s decision represents a change in his conception of U.S. foreign interests or a one-off response to wrenching televised pictures of suffocating children.
    In 2013, Mr. Trump strenuously opposed U.S. retaliatory action following a much more deadly sarin gas attack by the Assad regime; just Tuesday, he repeated in a speech that “I’m not, and I don’t want to be, the president of the world.”
    Yet on Thursday night Secretary of State Rex Tillerson spoke of taking action “on behalf of the international community” to preserve “international norms” about chemical weapons, and Mr. Trump said that “as long as America stands for justice, then peace and harmony will, in the end, prevail.” America’s allies can only hope that Mr. Trump will truly embrace that sentiment, rather than his long-standing isolationist instincts, as his presidency evolves.
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    I simply love their objectivity…And look, how he’s now suddenly their messiah to clean up the mess of Obama. If you’re suddenly praised by moderate Republicans, Democrats, establishment governments around the world and especially the media, that still demonised you mere days before, you know you’ve sold yourself out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haliaeetus View Post
    Various alt-right facebook feeds are a completely different story. 90% of people are supportive from what I've seen.
    So it could be that the more politically sober people are not supporting him with this, but your average Joe is very much supportive (and these Joes make up the majority of the body that voted him in).
    I also have to disagree with you here, by my impression 90% of Trump's original supporters are against the attack, at the worst they're trying to excuse it with his "good character" that has misled him due to the death of children.
    But of course you always get a vocal minor "USA, USA, USA" chanting party of idiots, too, there's no denying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    The US indiscriminately poisoned swathes of Vietnam with Agent Orange and god knows what else.
    Agent orange was a herbicide designed to defoliate the trees in order to reveal the location of enemy snipers.

    It was years before its carcinogenic effects on humans became known.

    So to try to compare agent orange with sarin gas is ludicrous!

    and god knows what else.
    Oh, please do tell. What other "chemical weapons" (apart from agent orange) can you claim the U.S has used against civilians? Chlorine gas perhaps? Nope. But Assad has used that as well.

    This idea that is being put about by some on this forum that the U.S as just as callous an actor in the world as the worlds most vicious dictators is utterly ridiculous and betrays a severe gap in objectivity.
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