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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    The problem is not the war on drugs, but that it's not being taken seriously. The politicians and police are corrupt and cooperating with drug dealers and prostitutes.
    Isn't then 'the war on drugs' a precursor for this potentiality of corruption, which would be naturally dissolve by decriminalization/legalization?

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    Drug addicts are the next level just below immigrants: a burden on normal people and leeching off the state.
    I that is an unreasonably harsh position to take. If you were to personally talk with any drug addict, I am certain a very minuscule percentage of them ended up where they did completely on their own accord. Quite often, from what I've gathered, there usually is a either some childhood abuse, parental failure, or physical and mental maltreatment that contributed to steering their path in an unfortunate direction. They are still our people, regardless of how far down in the gutter they're laying.
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    The people who have resorted to fentanyl are probably heroin addicts or prescription opiate users for whom the usual dose is either too weak or too expensive.

    I'm not sure what the exact solution is, but treating them as criminals isn't helping either them or society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    There need to be some limitations for the sake of our folk's health, and drug legalisation would bring too many problems. Drugs would become socially acceptable, like tobacco and alcohol, and more peoples would abuse them.
    You don't see people sniffing lighter-gas or gasoline on the street corners, even though they are perfectly legal to obtain. People nowadays are well aware of the dangers of strong opioids, just as people are aware of the dangers of smoking during pregnancy and around children, and curb such usage accordingly.

    A black drug market will never be prevented by authorities, as have been proven the last century. And if some people are going to use drugs, it is far more beneficial to their health that they know exactly what they're getting, and in what potency, rather than having to put full trust in their local drug dealer.

    There is a guy in my town who sells marijuana to all kinds of people, including kids, who personally crushes fluorescent light-tubes into the weed, to make it gain weight and look more potent. That is extremely harmful to one's lungs, compared to what normal, natural marijuana will do to you. I can't even imagine what other kinds of garbage people get inside of them when buying more easily diluted drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Isn't then 'the war on drugs' a precursor for this potentiality of corruption, which would be naturally dissolve by decriminalization/legalization?
    No of course not. That's like saying let's legalize murder because some people aren't deterred by the system anyway and because some corruption leads to it.

    I that is an unreasonably harsh position to take. If you were to personally talk with any drug addict, I am certain a very minuscule percentage of them ended up where they did completely on their own accord. Quite often, from what I've gathered, there usually is a either some childhood abuse, parental failure, or physical and mental maltreatment that contributed to steering their path in an unfortunate direction. They are still our people, regardless of how far down in the gutter they're laying.
    I've seen enough junkies no thank you. Other criminals have also been abused, that's not a reason for me to excuse their behavior less. Junkies would sell not only their souls, but also their mothers' souls just for a fix. How sick is that. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for junkies, especially hard drug junkies like heroin users. They have to be deterred, and get their act straight.

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    Bärin, there are drug addicts from all social classes, there are doctor, engineer and lawyer drug addicts, and there are millionaire and celebrity drug addicts who live glamorous lifestyles.

    That's the rock bottom of addiction, which exists because of the war on drugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post

    I've seen enough junkies no thank you. Other criminals have also been abused, that's not a reason for me to excuse their behavior less. Junkies would sell not only their souls, but also their mothers' souls just for a fix. How sick is that. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for junkies, especially hard drug junkies like heroin users. They have to be deterred, and get their act straight.
    Drug addiction is a terrible disease. Those of who are not addicted cannot comprehend the actions and thinking of a drug addict. We can only understand that their thinking is warped, altered, and dominated by murderous chemicals. They are not the scum of the earth, they are victims of their drug and of their environment. The suffering of a drug addict is immense, and attests to their lack of sanity. I have a certain sympathy for them.

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    Folks who are addicted to drugs are sick or have some complicated background issue, putting them behind bars ain't gonna help them or society.

    I'd prefer my taxes to go to improving folk's health than funding their stay in jail, to put it this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leichenfelder View Post
    Those of who are not addicted cannot comprehend the actions and thinking of a drug addict.
    They are not the scum of the earth, they are victims of their drug and of their environment. The suffering of a drug addict is immense, and attests to their lack of sanity. I have a certain sympathy for them.
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    Folks who are addicted to drugs are sick or have some complicated background issue, putting them behind bars ain't gonna help them or society.

    I'd prefer my taxes to go to improving folk's health than funding their stay in jail, to put it this way.
    But do we have to understand and, especially, help them in the first place? Drug addiction is essentially simply being too weak to cope with life. Yes, sometimes, often even, the environment plays a huge role but taking drugs is still a conscious choice, you won't get immediately addicted from doing it once. Some do it, a lot don’t, even under the same circumstances. The latter deserve our sympathies, not the former.

    I don’t really see, why we should waste resources, be it time, money or nerves, on them, that could benefit those that deserve it far more, like children or elders who have brought up children, worked all their life, contributed to society and payed their taxes or simply adults, that get severly ill or lose their job through no fault of their own.
    Anything you give to the former you take from the latter, as all resources are finite. So we should choose wisely what we do with it.

    It’s the basic problem of modern society, excusing anything, blaming it on environment, abuse or genetics and acting as though no free will exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    I don’t really see, why we should waste resources, be it time, money or nerves, on them, [...]
    Because the alternative is sharing our communities with sick and desperate individuals, who have no means of producing their own income, ultimately leading to crime and theft committed against the wider society. Alternative to that, one could simply shoot them on sight, but that brings a plethora of other moral qualms into the picture.

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    It’s the basic problem of modern society, excusing anything, blaming it on environment, abuse or genetics and acting as though no free will exists.
    Everyone has free will. But everyone also has a breaking point.
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    I don't see drug addiction as a moral issue. It's all very well to condemn drug addicts as morally weak reprobates. Some of them may be just that. But that is irrelevant. The practical question still remains, what is to be done about them?

    Should they simply be ignored until they rob and maybe kill an old age pensioner in order to get money for a fix and then be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives at a cost of 100,000 euro or more a year? Thats a lot of money and it's a lot of old age pensioners...

    Or, should they be put into a treatment program where they can be monitored, treated for infectious diseases and have their drug administered to them within a clinical setting?

    Of those two basic approaches I think the latter is the one that better minimises the overall harm to society. It reduces drug related crime and takes money out of the hands of criminals.
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