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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    This is just another attempt to clean up the muslim image to make them more palatable.
    Now that they are faced with expulsion they will be on their best behavior, helping to further integrate them.
    I would rather that they keep on being criminals since the Swiss need to be constantly reminded why immigration is bad for their country.
    Maybe they will be the first country where its citizens reach a breaking point and rise up to kick the invaders out.
    But if the invaders are now on their best behavior then the Swiss will become more reluctant than ever to effect a change.
    Well i think in Switzerland that its not only muslim immigrants who are treated in this way.
    If a foreign worker who is in Switzerland on a temporary working visa is out of work and there is a slump and no work on the horizon the Swiss actually order these immigrant laborours out of the country.
    Also to get a permanent resident visa is really hard,and having a marriage of convinience isnt a ticket to getting one either.....as they wont allow you to stay just because you have a Swiss wife.
    If you do make an application for citizenship after a good five or six years working there your name is published in the local town hall for anyone to put a black mark agaisnt,if you get two or three bad comments you wont be granted citizenship......i would say Switzerland is probably the hardest country to get into in the world.
    Most foreign workers actually live in France and work in Switzerland or live in northern Italy and cross over the border every day to work.
    This way the Swiss can block anybodys entry when and how they want.

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    Switzerland Ideal Example? Creating a Successful Country Governance Model

    SOURCE --> PHYSORG http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-group-boundaries-key-ethnic-violence.html

    Research group finds creating boundaries key to reducing ethnic violence
    October 13, 2011 by Bob Yirka


    Maps of Switzerland showing the 2000 census proportion of (A) linguistic groups, (B) Catholic and Protestant (Mercator projection). Image: arXiv:1110.1409v1

    (PhysOrg.com) -- History is filled with examples of ethnic violence, the type that erupts when people with differing cultures attempt to live side by side. The Middle East comes to mind, as does Northern Ireland or Yugoslavia. What’s not so common are studies done that show what sorts of things actually work to prevent problems when people of dissimilar backgrounds live next door to one another. Thus, a new study done by Yaneer Bar-Yam and his team at the New England Complex Systems Institute, appears to be particularly relevant. He and his colleagues, describe in their paper on the preprint server arXiv, how a study they’ve done of the ethnically diverse country of Switzerland, shows that political and geographical boundaries have served to keep the peace between the different groups.


    Switzerland, the very modern symbol of a peaceful country, might have gone another direction the team finds, were it not for the way the differing groups (French, German and Italian) and religions (Catholic and Protestant) have been physical grouped within the borders of the small country.

    Those of German descent make up the largest group, taking up most of the north, central and eastern parts of the country while those with Italian backgrounds live predominately in the south; those of French descent have settled mainly in the west. Not surprisingly, those of the Catholic faith live predominately in the southern and middle parts of the country, due to the influx of those of Italian descent, while those of the Protestant faith live mainly in the rest of the country.

    To find out how all these differing groups found a way to get along, the team looked at the geography of the country (mainly mountains and lakes) and how its regions are subdivided. In Switzerland, areas of the country are partitioned into what are known as cantons, which are similar to states in other countries except that each has much more autonomy than is usual. After careful study, the team found that the main reason the groups all manage to get along, is because they are separated from one another. Each canton is comprised of almost all the same types of people, essentially ruling themselves, thus, there is very little overlap. Other areas are separated by lakes or mountains. The end result is that people of differing cultures very seldom run into one another (except in the larger cites of course) and thus friction is averted. The one exception appears to be a little area north of Bern, where violence did erupt in the 1970’s. That problem was apparently fixed by simply redistricting the cantons in that area.
    One problem with the study of course is that it doesn’t take into account the history of the land itself. The problems with India and Pakistan, for example, or with Israel and the rest of the Middle East aren’t likely to be solved by building better borders. But, nonetheless, the study does shed a rather bright light on the idea that simple separation can sometimes lead to peace. Not unlike how a schoolteacher might solve a problem between two quarreling youngsters.

    We consider the conditions of peace and violence among ethnic groups, testing a theory designed to predict the locations of violence and interventions that can promote peace. Characterizing the model's success in predicting peace requires examples where peace prevails despite diversity. Switzerland is recognized as a country of peace, stability and prosperity. This is surprising because of its linguistic and religious diversity that in other parts of the world lead to conflict and violence. Here we analyze how peaceful stability is maintained. Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups. Mountains and lakes are an important part of the boundaries between sharply defined linguistic areas. Political canton and circle (sub-canton) boundaries often separate religious groups. Where such boundaries do not appear to be sufficient, we find that specific aspects of the population distribution either guarantee sufficient separation or sufficient mixing to inhibit intergroup violence according to the quantitative theory of conflict. In exactly one region, a porous mountain range does not adequately separate linguistic groups and violent conflict has led to the recent creation of the canton of Jura. Our analysis supports the hypothesis that violence between groups can be inhibited by physical and political boundaries. A similar analysis of the area of the former Yugoslavia shows that during widespread ethnic violence existing political boundaries did not coincide with the boundaries of distinct groups, but peace prevailed in specific areas where they did coincide. The success of peace in Switzerland may serve as a model to resolve conflict in other ethnically diverse countries and regions of the world.

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    It is good to see research confirming what we already know. Namely that different ethnic groups living together will lead to problems. Would be good to save this article for reference purposes in debates with those who think that multiculturalism is something to desire.
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    Maybe all the peace lovers will reexamine their assumed inhumanity of apartheid-like solutions for folk-sovereignty & separatism if they see it is the most peaceful method of preserving peace for all ... aside perhaps from eliminating all but one ethnicity, which I think they would like less.

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    Switzerland is a really good example of a multicultural country that avoided ethnic civil wars, because the cultures live in their own communities. The reality that the French, Italians and Germans live in separate cantons of their own, along with the whole tradition of non-aggression, makes it a very peaceful country.

    I've known a few Swiss French people, and I didn't get the impression that there's any "ethnic tension" at all in the country, apart from mutual jokes and a mock rivalry. Sort of like us Scandinavians in-between.

    Of course, there is tension in Switzerland...because the Muslim immigrants are turning Geneva and Zurich into multicultural hells.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter View Post
    Maybe all the peace lovers will reexamine their assumed inhumanity of apartheid-like solutions for folk-sovereignty & separatism if they see it is the most peaceful method of preserving peace for all ...
    But the situation in Switzerland has nothing to do with segregation or apartheid. It's more like different communities that came together into one country. Switzerland doesn't have a history of one group dominating the others.

    Although I think Switzerland is a peaceful country (well, apart from their Muslim immigrants) because of how the Swiss cultures are. It's nothing like the Balkans or the Middle East. I mean, if you split up Israel into "ethnic cantons", I'm fairly sure the Jews and Arabs would find another way to start a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frimodighet View Post
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    But the situation in Switzerland has nothing to do with segregation or apartheid. It's more like different communities that came together into one country. Switzerland doesn't have a history of one group dominating the others.

    ...
    The distinction you highlight is true, neither the literal case of the study nor its central thrust advocate directly in the direction I suggested, but by implication and inference, the logic could be used to support cantonization or other movements advocating separation along ethnic lines, for people who want that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesritter View Post
    the logic could be used to support cantonization or other movements advocating separation along ethnic lines, for people who want that.
    Indeed. There should be a "home area" for every ethnic group, if they live in a multi-ethnic country. If they're forced together, it will always end with trouble. The French, Germans and Italians have their own cantons, but it's the Muslim immigrants who cause massive problems because they're a hostile and parasitic group.

    There's this famous poster by the Swiss anti-immigrant party. The three white sheep represent the Swiss groups, while the black sheep represents the immigrants.


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    The Dutch Republic was very much like this. One of the main reasons i advocate this model is because it gives the individual provinces like Frisia more autonomy to preserve their identities and languages more. Another reason is that the Flemish could join up more easy because they don't have to fear their uniqueness and independence they have now, which they will loose under the Dutch unitary government we have now.
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    Switzerland Deports Immigrants on Welfare

    Increased information sharing between social services and immigration authorities in Swiss cantons is leading to a massive increase in deportations of foreigners, even in cases where no crime has been committed.

    Cantons in the northwest of Switzerland have implemented cross-checks in their immigration services to catch any foreigners on long-term social benefits and deport them, newspaper Tages Anzeiger reports.

    In the canton of Sankt Gallen, there are more than 90 expulsions per year. Other cantons, like Zurich, do not keep statistics on the individual reasons for deportation and cannot offer any numbers. However, in both Zurich and in Geneva, the Immigration Office has recruited lots of additional staff in recent months specifically to deal with these cases.

    Since the Immigration Act was passed in 2008, social services are obliged to share with immigration authorities the names of all non-Swiss who are receiving welfare benefits.

    Immigration law expert Marc Spescha cited a tougher political climate as a primary cause for the massive spike in deportations: “Many cantons practice a zero tolerance policy, and sometimes they lose their sense of proportion,” he told Tages Anzeiger.

    The Zurich-based newspaper reported on the case of a young Turkish woman who moved to Switzerland in 2006 when she married a Turkish man already staying in the country. The woman was beaten by her husband for several years and left him after the birth of their daughter in 2010. After their divorce came through, immigration authorities in Zurich decided to deport both woman and child back to Turkey, since they were living on welfare benefits.

    But not all the cantons are taking such a hardline approach, Tages Anzeiger reported. In Basel city, only immigrants who have a criminal record or who refuse to cooperate with social authorities are deported. In the canton of Bern, immigrants rarely risk losing their temporary residence permits renewed even if they are living on welfare benefits.

    “In most cases, there are also additional reasons for deporting them, such as crime,” Markus Aeschlimann, head of the Immigration Office, told the paper.

    Switzerland's information sharing between social services and immigration authorities only started last autumn. Social services now notify the cantonal immigration authority once the amount of benefits received by a foreigner reaches a certain level: 25,000 francs for temporary residents, and 40,000 francs for permanent residents.



    http://www.thelocal.ch/1629/20111101/

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    That's the way to deal with the foreign parasitic vermin. If they did that here in Australia, all the do-gooders would be up in arms about being so "hardline". We can't hurt the foreign scum.

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