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    Cuckolded Fathers Rare in Human Populations

    There is hope for mankind after all...or at least no more “it's the natural behaviour” excuse for (female) adultery:

    Abstract
    Contemporary data of extra-pair paternity (EPP) in human populations may be biased by the use of modern contraceptives. Studies have now estimated historical EPP rates in several human populations. The observed low EPP rates challenge the idea that women routinely 'shop around' for good genes by engaging in extra-pair copulations.

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    Rates of Cuckoldry in Historical Times
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    Subsequently, another study further perfected the genealogical pair method, employing written genealogical evidence, and also introduced the admixture method to provide an independent estimate, and applied it to a Western population in Flanders, Belgium [7]. This study arrived at a similarly low EPP estimate of 0.9% per generation over the past 500 years [7].
    Finally, three further studies appeared that all confirmed the low occurrence of human EPP among several other Western populations: 0.9% per generation over the past 300 years in a (Western) Afrikaner population in South Africa [10] and 1.2% per generation over the past 400 years in a north Italian population [11] (both estimated using the genealogical pair method), and 0.6–1.7% per generation over the past few centuries in Catalonia [12] (estimated based on the surname method and taking into account the historical rate of surname adoption and matrilineal surname transmission of 0.9% per generation).

    The surprising result of these new studies is that human EPP rates have stayed near constant at around 1% across several human societies over the past several hundred years. This poses an immediate puzzle for behavioural scientists, who estimated that without the availability of modern contraceptives the historical EPP rates should have been much higher, in the range of 10–20%, based on present behavioural measures of EPCs and observed kin investments of matri- and patrilineal family members, which are known to be inversely related to EPP [13]. Hence, it appears that people were more faithful in their relationships in the past, or – put differently – that the recent widespread adoption of modern contraceptives has sexually liberated women, resulting in a relatively greater number of extra-marital affairs, but in EPP rates that have remained as low as they were before.
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    There may be several reasons for the low incidence of EPP, including the fear of attracting sexually transmitted diseases, the risk of spousal aggression (‘crime passionnel’), divorce, or reduced paternal investment by the social partner or his close relatives if the infidelity was discovered [1].
    Therefore, the (potential) genetic benefits of extrapair children are unlikely to be offset by the (potential) costs of being caught, particularly in such a long-lived species as humans with heavy offspring dependence and massive parental investment.
    […]
    Finally, anti-cuckoldry tactics, such as male sexual jealousy, religious practices that regulate female sexuality, and strongly negative reactions towards female adultery, may also have played a role in limiting EPP.
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    See also the earlier study about Flanders by the same author, mentioned in the above study: Low historical rates of cuckoldry in a Western European human population traced by Y-chromosome and genealogical data:
    Abstract
    Recent evidence suggests that seeking out extra-pair paternity (EPP) can be a viable alternative reproductive strategy for both males and females in many pair-bonded species, including humans. Accurate data on EPP rates in humans, however, are scant and mostly restricted to extant populations. Here, we provide the first large-scale, unbiased genetic study of historical EPP rates in a Western European human population based on combining Y-chromosomal data to infer genetic patrilineages with genealogical and surname data, which reflect known historical presumed paternity.
    Using two independent methods, we estimate that over the last few centuries, EPP rates in Flanders (Belgium) were only around 1–2% per generation. This figure is substantially lower than the 8–30% per generation reported in some behavioural studies on historical EPP rates, but comparable with the rates reported by other genetic studies of contemporary Western European populations. These results suggest that human EPP rates have not changed substantially during the last 400 years in Flanders and imply that legal genealogies rarely differ from the biological ones. This result has significant implications for a diverse set of fields, including human population genetics, historical demography, forensic science and human sociobiology.
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    Social values work as a control mechanism else they would die out or not exist at all. It doesn't change that women shop round, by any means. Do these papers take into account siblings and fathers? Historically in (for example) Russian men had rights to their sons wives.

    We all know liberals put propaganda into science but family values people go the other way: most cheating historically would be with the husband's blood relatives where the opportunity was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Do these papers take into account siblings and fathers? Historically in (for example) Russian men had rights to their sons wives.

    We all know liberals put propaganda into science but family values people go the other way: most cheating historically would be with the husband's blood relatives where the opportunity was.
    Good point, I hadn't actually thought about that. From the second study:
    It should be noted that neither of our estimation methods can differentiate between an EPP without knowledge of the legal father and an EPP caused by hidden adoption (i.e. when an adopted child is not reported as such). Moreover, the methods will also not detect EPP caused by matings with patrilineal relatives of the husband. Nevertheless, there is no possibility to avoid these events when estimating historical EPP rates. On the other hand, EPP in the latter case will only have limited negative evolutionary consequences for the legal father because his indirect fitness will still remain relatively high.
    So there's obviously no possibility to detect an EPP, from a genetical point of view, when the adulterer is patrilinearily related to the husband.

    But the studies cover the 1600's to today and the EPP rate stayed constant, even though the opportunity for exogamic relationships would have steadily increased due to increased mobility and therefore opportunity, since at least the industrial revolution.
    I also doubt it would influence the rate much for two other reasons.

    Firstly, that the opportunity would have already been there even in the 1600s, as Flanders and also other regions in the study, were already very urbanised and mobility was necessarily there due to almost constant warfare at that time, which necessitated fleeing or made for opportunities with soldiers moving through.

    Secondly, we also have to take into account the social methods against adultery, which work the same way for relatives and non-relatives. Likewise, the high/strict moral standards in a Christian and moreover Catholic society, especially back then, have to be taken into account.

    Even if this relative adultery increased the EPP rates by 100%, and it’s extremely unlikely that this could increase it even more, we arrive at only ~2%.
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    In traditional Christianity, marrying a divorced woman is considered adultery. I also consider taking on a woman who already has children to be cuckoldry. You are wasting your time, money, and life essence to care for the product of another man's loins, AND, your new "wife" will ALWAYS favor those children over you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    In traditional Christianity, marrying a divorced woman is considered adultery. I also consider taking on a woman who already has children to be cuckoldry. You are wasting your time, money, and life essence to care for the product of another man's loins, AND, your new "wife" will ALWAYS favor those children over you.
    A wife will favor your own children over you as well (if they're also hers). What do you think of marrying a woman with children if you have just as many children yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    In traditional Christianity, marrying a divorced woman is considered adultery. I also consider taking on a woman who already has children to be cuckoldry. You are wasting your time, money, and life essence to care for the product of another man's loins, AND, your new "wife" will ALWAYS favor those children over you.
    Well I'm not a traditional Christian or even a Christian for that matter.

    I will have to call BS on your statements.

    I married a divorced woman and raised a child that was not biologically mine, I had a very positive influence on him. Though the marriage is now ended I have no regrets as far as my step son goes. He is now a fine young Germanic man with a good sense of race and culture. He also went to collage funded by me and is now in the process of getting married to a fine young lady I have no regrets about any of that part either.

    Divorce is common today and it also happened in pre-Christian Europe. Often men were killed in battle and given the life expectancy single parents were around in Christian times as well. The point is you cannot consider your money or your time in these matters, what does matter is that you are not part of the problem, but the solution. Further your life essence will not be wasted either in fact you can pass it on to a step child.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    I also consider taking on a woman who already has children to be cuckoldry. You are wasting your time, money, and life essence to care for the product of another man's loins, AND, your new "wife" will ALWAYS favor those children over you.
    Obviously any man would and should prefer to have children of his own, it's natural.
    But after a given point it's still better to help educate a boy to be a proper man and a girl to be a self-respecting woman, instead of "wasting" ones resources on oneself. Obviously one also certainly shouldn’t let himself be used as a mere cash cow either.

    But there must be lots of moral upright single mothers who wouldn’t exploit a man, whose divorce wasn’t their fault or whose husband simply died. Besides that, any man has to "compete", even with his own children, for the affection of the wife/mother and ultimately she will likely always side with the latter.

    Even then, as you have no direct responsibility, precisely because the children aren’t your own in this case, you could always apply emergency brakes if you ever feel exploited.
    But if everything works out, it's a selfless act for ones people and race, if you prevent at least some of the young generation of becoming braindead liberals, SJW’s and race mixers.
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    Part of the EPP rate, over the generations, is likely explained by stepchildren taking the surname of their stepfather or foster children taking the name of their foster parents. Such as William Jefferson Clinton (born Blythe) taking his stepfathers surname (though it is also likely he was the product of EPP) or Gerald R. Ford (born Leslie Lynch King) being adopted by his mother's second husband. That is two out of 44 men who have been president. Or the late Senator Robert Byrd (born Cornelius Sale) being renamed by his adoptive parents who were also his aunt and uncle.

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