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    Do Races Have Different Natural Tendencies in What Social Status They Give to Women?

    You'd have a hard time finding a scientific study on this one, so we can only speculate.

    I ask because I don't see any clear racial patterns in history. For instance, women had equal freedoms to men in ancient Egypt (though the role of Pharaoh was passed from father to son), in stark contrast to ancient Athens. Today, the reverse is commonly seen as a defining difference between Europe and the MENA region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    You'd have a hard time finding a scientific study on this one, so we can only speculate.

    I ask because I don't see any clear racial patterns in history. For instance, women had equal freedoms to men in ancient Egypt (though the role of Pharaoh was passed from father to son), in stark contrast to ancient Athens. Today, the reverse is commonly seen as a defining difference between Europe and the MENA region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    I ask because I don't see any clear racial patterns in history.
    Well, it is actually not a question of races (plural), rather it's a special, specific, unique problem of the Germanics. The Germanics lived, since the Ice Age, in a special, unique natural environment, which fostered, and even required an elsewhere unknown extent of individuality, first, and but also 'equality' between males and females, second, just in order to survive.

    The Germanic man, for thousands of years, fully, entirely, completely, absolutely, unconditionally had to rely on his woman. And the Germanic woman, at the time, had been so smart (as opposed to 'intelligent') that she could feel: she has only a slight chance to survive if and as long she is loyal to her man.

    Now, Ice Age is long over. Nowadays, whe Germanics, males, and females, fully enjoy the blessings of 'modern' (that means Germanic) technology. It is no longer necessary for a Germanic female to be loyal to one and the same Germanic male, in order to survive. She well and easily can divorce the Germanic man, and take a random negro instead, and yet still enjoy the alimony her former Germanic, blond & blue eyed man is compelled & obliged to pay to her, by her jewish layer (by whom she was fucked to reduce the legal expenses).

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    For instance, women had equal freedoms to men in ancient Egypt.
    Who told you this rubbish?

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    I’ve never seen a study on that particular subject but I wouldn’t be surprised or rather expect it, if something like that would be proven in the near future, looking at the rate of advance in the genetic field.

    On the other hand, even closely related peoples or subgroups of the same people have treated women very differently throughout history. Not even to speak of the general division between patriarchal and matriarchal societies/cultures.

    The Attic women you spoke of, for example, were treated similar to women in Islam or perhaps even worse. They had no legal rights, weren’t educated except for weaving and sewing, were absolutely secluded from men(even their relatives), didn’t appear in public and even their very names usually weren’t spoken of amongst men. The ideal woman was one of whom “least is said for either good or harm”.
    It’s probably not a big surprise in light of this, that Athens was the worst example of Pederasty in all of Greece and homosexual contact with slaves was common too.

    There was likely a stronger non-Indo-European substrate in ancient Athens, than in much of the rest of Europe though and it was also influenced by orientalistic streams.
    Much of what we know also concerns the elite, among whom women in every culture always had to behave differently. Among the average or poorer population, women had usually more important duties and therefore also more rights.

    In the Laconic state, in contrast to Athens, women were generally much more “equal” to men. They could freely move around and speak in public, could own land and other property. Both physical and physical education was also mandatory. Divorce was also possible for women, even with keeping her personal wealth and remarriage.
    When asked by a woman from Attica, "Why are you Spartan women the only ones who can rule men?", Gorgo replied, "Because we are also the only ones who give birth to men."
    The attitude of the Romans towards women was roughly somewhere between the Athenians and the Spartans.

    Among the Germanics, already Tacitus speaks of the value accorded to women, especially seers.
    The worth of weregilds of women in the different law codes however, shows, that women were also weighted quite differently within the Germanics.

    Among the Anglo-Saxons a woman’s weregild was half of that of a man of equal rank.
    Among the Salian Franks, on the other hand, the worth of women differed with age, as a girl and an old woman were worth the same as a man. Whereas for a woman of childbearing age, the weregild was triple that of a man and even higher when she was actually pregnant.
    Among the Alamanni, every injury to a woman was also worth twice than the same injury to a man.
    At least among the Norse tribes, divorce was possible.

    These few examples should show, that even among relatively close related peoples, attitudes towards women could vary quite much.
    Northern and western European peoples always seem to have valued women much more though, than, for example, Southern Europeans and especially Middle Easterners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juthunge View Post
    Among the Germanics, already Tacitus speaks of the value accorded to women, especially seers.
    A seeress is not the same as a normal female.

    On the normal Germanic females Tacitus says, if they were caught in the act of adultery, their husband would beat them naked through the whole thorp. I think that was good and effective. We should revive the good customs of our ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Vinlander View Post
    You'd have a hard time finding a scientific study on this one, so we can only speculate.

    I ask because I don't see any clear racial patterns in history. For instance, women had equal freedoms to men in ancient Egypt (though the role of Pharaoh was passed from father to son), in stark contrast to ancient Athens. Today, the reverse is commonly seen as a defining difference between Europe and the MENA region.
    We tend to see that historically, the Egyptians and Germanics were the cultures that afforded women the most freedom. I could explain why Egyptians got their ideas but that's probably too long to elaborate upon here.

    The most comprehensive way to go about finding information on this is to look up each individual culture and its practices, but that can be time consuming. Cultures that practice arranged marriages and prohibit divorce tend to give the least. (I'm looking at you, middle east). I happen to know that China was also very particularly restrictive, but I'll check and see if I can find more specific information tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    Well, it is actually not a question of races (plural), rather it's a special, specific, unique problem of the Germanics. The Germanics lived, since the Ice Age, in a special, unique natural environment, which fostered, and even required an elsewhere unknown extent of individuality, first, and but also 'equality' between males and females, second, just in order to survive.

    The Germanic man, for thousands of years, fully, entirely, completely, absolutely, unconditionally had to rely on his woman. And the Germanic woman, at the time, had been so smart (as opposed to 'intelligent') that she could feel: she has only a slight chance to survive if and as long she is loyal to her man.

    Now, Ice Age is long over. Nowadays, whe Germanics, males, and females, fully enjoy the blessings of 'modern' (that means Germanic) technology. It is no longer necessary for a Germanic female to be loyal to one and the same Germanic male, in order to survive. She well and easily can divorce the Germanic man, and take a random negro instead, and yet still enjoy the alimony her former Germanic, blond & blue eyed man is compelled & obliged to pay to her, by her jewish layer (by whom she was fucked to reduce the legal expenses).
    A couple would find each other and mate for life, but if the Germanic man is physically abusive to the mother and child, it's not in the child's best interests to stay. On the other hand, if the woman takes the child and hands it into the care of a negro, she's disgusting, and likewise endangering her child.

    I don't agree that either person in a marriage should have to pay money to the other in the event of a divorce, they should just agree how to split the possessions, and that's that. Each parent should be able to reasonably pay for the kids for the amount of time they have them, if kids are involved.

    Modern society is really sad, too many couples split up without first giving the effort to make the marriage work. And when it comes to relationship advice, the most common thing a woman will hear or read is "leave him". I've been shocked to read articles advising a woman to leave a man for leaving the toilet seat up, for never taking her to a fancy restaurant, or for not getting her flowers on valentines day.

    I can't tell you how frustrating this is when you don't want to leave a man because of some small but vexing issue. When all you want to do is find a way to constantly improve things. When you really love someone you can't just walk away that easily. People today aren't learning how to adapt, compromise, and work through things with each other, and that's a skill that today's couples could really use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHeart View Post
    I don't agree that either person in a marriage should have to pay money to the other in the event of a divorce, they should just agree how to split the possessions, and that's that. Each parent should be able to reasonably pay for the kids for the amount of time they have them, if kids are involved.
    These thoughts would lead to more divorce and more single mothers raising their children without both a father figure and mother figure in the same house.

    Modern society is really sad, too many couples split up without first giving the effort to make the marriage work. And when it comes to relationship advice, the most common thing a woman will hear or read is "leave him". I've been shocked to read articles advising a woman to leave a man for leaving the toilet seat up, for never taking her to a fancy restaurant, or for not getting her flowers on valentines day.
    Modern feminism tells women that they don't need a man. That men are bad and they use every excuse to tell women to leave the man. I can speak from personal experience on this. Men who want a traditional relationship where he is the provider and works very hard to provide a good home and life for the relationship is cast out by modern feminism. This in turn causes most men to view women and relationships in a negative light and thus the man is left with a broken feeling and asking himself why bother with working or trying to find a good woman. The younger men see this and it has a negative effect on them as they don't want a stable relationship with a woman and only want to use them for sex. The woman may still have the instincts of wanting children and a stable home, but modern feminism tells her to reject the idea.

    How is this apply to different races? Well at least here in the US most European males will take on the responsibility of a family and actually desire it whether they are vocal about it or not. While the negro will have children and leave the woman and children to the cares of government welfare. This is where multiculturalism is a failure, young European males and females are conditioned to immolate black ghetto culture, but they still have the sense and natural instinct to desire our traditional two parent home and family. The two ideas conflict vey badly and the ones that are often left in the cold are the children not having a positive two parent influence in their life.
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