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    NATO Syria & Ukraine in Post Fake World Munich Security Conference Highlights & Memorable Quotes

    Source: https://www.rt.com/news/377903-munic...ce-highlights/

    Published time: 20 Feb, 2017 04:25

    Edited time: 20 Feb, 2017 06:12



    © Munich Security Conference / Facebook

    The future of NATO and its relations with Russia amid turbulent US foreign policy, as well as the Syrian and Ukrainian conflicts in an era of Cold War style media hysteria have dominated the three-day Munich Security Conference.

    NATO’s future & relations with Russia

    Russia is ready to work together with NATO, but its expansion has led to an “unprecedented level of tension” in Europe, the Russian FM Sergey Lavrov told the conference. Moscow is open for political dialogue and diplomacy but believes it does not make any sense without military cooperation. NATO, however, has not shown a readiness for such cooperation.



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    The US seemingly tried to reassure its allies, alarmed by Donald Trump’s campaign statements on the alliance being “obsolete.” America “strongly supports NATO” and is fully committed to this transatlantic alliance, the US Vice President Pence said at the conference. “As you keep faith with us, under President Trump we will always keep faith with you,” he added, reiterating, the demand, however, that allies to pay their “fair share” of 2 percent of GDP to maintain NATO.

    “When even one ally fails to do their part, it undermines all of our ability to come to each other’s aid,” Pence stated, clearly implying that failure to increase spending was not an option for NATO nations.



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    As long as the EU and NATO “complement and not compete with each other,” the future of the “transatlantic bond” is quite bright, NATO’s SG Jens Stoltenberg said, since the EU and US desire to be “strong” does not mean they should be “alone.”



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    Germany and France however, did not seem to be entirely reassured by Pence’s speech. “I don’t know where Germany can find billions of euros to boost defense spending if politicians also want to lower taxes,” Germany’s FM Sigmar Gabriel said, while his French counterpart, posted quite a salty tweet that Pence didn’t say “a word on the EU.”

    Syrian conflict & reconciliation process

    High-ranking diplomats involved in efforts to end the Syrian conflict have acknowledged the crucial role of Russia. The Astana talks is an important milestone in the reconciliation process, as the Syrian government and rebels met for the very first time at a negotiating table instead of the battlefield. And while not being an alternative to the upcoming Geneva negotiations, it should be viewed as a valuable supplement, the UN special envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura believes.

    The UN representative also said the “not-so-secret” Russian-Turkish meetings helped avert the worst case scenario in the battle of Aleppo and saved tens of thousands of civilian lives.



    © Reuters

    The new ceasefire, brokered by Russia, Iran, and Turkey is “holding better” than the previous one since these countries have actual influence on the ground in Syria.

    Previous efforts, undertaken by Russia and the US, failed since Washington didn’t have such influence, US special presidential envoy for the US-led coalition against IS, Brett McGurk, conceded, stating that “we became a bit of a Ping-Pong ball to try and control the situation.”



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    Through info-wars into ‘post-fake’ world

    The modern world lives in a “post-truth period” which can only be overcome through an old-school “justice and modesty” approach, Russia’s FM Sergey Lavrov believes. Only “honest work without lies and fake news” is the way to “resist hysterical information wars imposed on the international community."



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    Not everyone, unfortunately, shares the approach of the Russian FM, since the narrative of a “Russian threat,” “Russian hacks” and other baseless allegations have repeatedly emerged during the Munich conference. US Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), for example, has warned France and Germany to wake up referring to their upcoming elections, since the “Russians were coming after you.” The Senator then promised Lavrov “some consequences” and vowed to “kick Russia in the ass in Congress.”



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    Renewed Ukraine ceasefire

    Russian, French, Ukrainian and German diplomats have reached a new agreement on a ceasefire in Ukraine starting February 20. “We have actively supported this decision and obviously expressed a conviction that this time, failure should not be allowed,” the Russian FM Sergey Lavrov said afterward.



    © Reuters

    The diplomats reiterated the importance of the Normandy format and said there was no need to include new parties, referring to the US. The Minsk deal is perceived to be the only way to untangle the conflict, and “Russians and Ukrainians” have “no other option but to respect” it, the French FM Jean-Marc Ayrault said.

    Lavrov noted that the lack of progress in the reconciliation process should not be blamed solely on Russia, as the other parties are equally responsible too.



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    President Vladimir Putin's decree acknowledging passports and other documents of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk Republics was announced during the conference “out of humanitarian concerns,” leading to a hysterical reaction from Ukrainian officials.

    President Petro Poroshenko called it “yet another” proof of “Russia's violation of international law” and claimed the rogue republics to be an “occupied territory.” The decree, however, is motivated not by political, but humanitarian considerations and it would remain in place “until the Minsk agreements are fulfilled.”

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    Lindsey Graham is an annoying closet homo, zero credibility and an affront to any decent human being, but more to the point:

    The new ceasefire, brokered by Russia, Iran, and Turkey is “holding better” than the previous one since these countries have actual influence on the ground in Syria.

    Previous efforts, undertaken by Russia and the US, failed since Washington didn’t have such influence, US special presidential envoy for the US-led coalition against IS, Brett McGurk, conceded, stating that “we became a bit of a Ping-Pong ball to try and control the situation.”
    Washington (more specifically, the previous Obama regime) had plenty of influence on the ground in Syria. It organised, trained, financed & armed the ISIS & Al Qaeda cannibals in collaboration with the EU & Arab Gulf States.

    The real reason the ceasefires didn't hold has nothing to do with Washington's influence or lack of influence in Syria, it has everything to do with Washington's agenda to take control of Syria via its Islamist proxy forces burning it to the ground.

    It's not clear yet whether Trump intends to pursue Obama's Syria policies or not. He appears to want to follow a different course but it's still early days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    It's not clear yet whether Trump intends to pursue Obama's Syria policies or not. He appears to want to follow a different course but it's still early days.
    To follow a different course would mean, ultimately, to re-stabilize Syria. But if you re-stabilize Syria, how then could you let Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan in the chaos? You actually would have to rebuild the whole region, and according the lines of the status quo ante that is. That would mean to abandon the whole foreign policy of the past 27, or even 38 years, and to undo its so-far results.

    Trump can't do this, even if he wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    To follow a different course would mean, ultimately, to re-stabilize Syria.
    Not necessarily.

    It simply means that Trump has something other in mind to what Obama had in mind, and that I don't know at this stage what Trump has in mind either for Syria or North Africa.

    On the other hand, it was clear what Obama and Hillary had in mind for North Africa & Syria and this was violent destabilisation through terrorist proxies in order to weaken and loot these countries, to keep them weak and destabilised and to use them as springboards from which to spread destabilisation, terrorism and chaos to Central Asia and Russia.

    That was the Obama / Clinton / Brzezinsky & Globalist strategy.

    The US Administration under Trump's strategy and plans for North Africa and the Middle East, Russia and Central Asia, and who Trump answers to is not clear at this stage.


    But if you re-stabilize Syria, how then could you let Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan in the chaos?
    We don't yet know the true intentions of the (current) US Administration.

    Even if they wanted to "fix" the messes made in those countries by previous US Administrations it will be quite difficult to achieve now. And it is by no means certain that the (current) US Administration and especially the US Deep State (which generates enormous profits for itself from these wars) has the will, intentions or means to achieve this.


    You actually would have to rebuild the whole region, and according the lines of the status quo ante that is. That would mean to abandon the whole foreign policy of the past 27, or even 38 years, and to undo its so-far results.

    Trump can't do this, even if he wanted to.
    Indeed. And I very much doubt that he will.

    But nevertheless, I get the impression that he (personally) would rather want to try to undo some of the mess.

    I also have the impression that he is surrounded by people who want to prevent the mess from being contained or fixed, because they (and their handlers) earn enormous profits from, and gain enormous power by creating a "need for security" type situations and offering their services (weapons, equipment, troops, specialists etc) as the "solution".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    It simply means that Trump has something other in mind to what Obama had in mind, and that I don't know at this stage what Trump has in mind either for Syria or North Africa.

    On the other hand, it was clear what Obama and Hillary had in mind for North Africa & Syria and this was violent destabilisation through terrorist proxies in order to weaken and loot these countries, to keep them weak and destabilised and to use them as springboards from which to spread destabilisation, terrorism and chaos to Central Asia and Russia.

    That was the Obama / Clinton / Brzezinsky & Globalist strategy.

    The US Administration under Trump's strategy and plans for North Africa and the Middle East, Russia and Central Asia, and who Trump answers to is not clear at this stage.

    We don't yet know the true intentions of the (current) US Administration.
    In early January there was a news that Kissinger -- still alive and kickboxing -- did urge Trump to appoint him, Kissinger, as special envoy to Moscow, to bring the Russians into an aliance against the Chinese. This is the very same Kissinger who 1971 went to Peking, as special envoy, to bring the Chinese into an alliance against the Russians.

    One may call this jewish Ping Pong. They really make fun of this for themselves.

    To me, Trump stronlgly resembles Wilson in 1913, when he signed the law to erect the FED. Trump is as help- and clueless as he. He needs so badly all those jewish advisors, to give him good advice. I just wonder which jew ghost is writing all his countless speeches for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spjabork View Post
    In early January there was a news that Kissinger -- still alive and kickboxing -- did urge Trump to appoint him, Kissinger, as special envoy to Moscow, to bring the Russians into an aliance against the Chinese. This is the very same Kissinger who 1971 went to Peking, as special envoy, to bring the Chinese into an alliance against the Russians.

    One may call this jewish Ping Pong. They really make fun of this for themselves.
    These reptilians live way too long.
    Russia would be insane to join an anti-Chinese alliance.
    Kissinger has some (too much) influence in Russia.

    I don't think the current Russian leadership would accept bribes (lifting of certain sanctions etc) to go anti-Chinese. They'd be screwing themselves.

    It may be different under a future Russian Govt.


    To me, Trump stronlgly resembles Wilson in 1913, when he signed the law to erect the FED. Trump is as help- and clueless as he. He needs so badly all those jewish advisors, to give him good advice. I just wonder which jew ghost is writing all his countless speeches for him.
    I don't see it that way. To me, Trump's biggest problem is his political inexperience and lack of experience and knowledge of geopolitics. However, he does have (some) good instincts in my opinion, so he sometimes arrives at good conclusions, even if by accident.

    He became a relatively successful goy businessman in Jew York, competing against hordes of the most villainous swindlers known to humanity. That already tells you something about him... and that he knows a thing or two about Jews.

    His inner circle is not nearly as loaded with NeoCon and NeoLiberal (mostly Jewish) "advisors" as was the case with his predecessors such as the Bush clans, the Clintons, Obongo and so on. Yes his son-in-law is present but he's not a representative of the usual NeoCon / NeoLiberal cliques who would surely have been included automatically in a Clinton Administration, or in ANY of the Administrations of the other Republican candidates.

    In my view Trump's election was an unexpected "accident" which the puppet masters didn't count on nor expected, and they are now forced into damage control mode to try and contain Trump and whatever actions Trump may undertake which would damage their globalisation projects.

    Interesting times ahead in my opinion because the beast is beginning to fight amongst its own kind.
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