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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodebert View Post
    Let's say that between clothes, day care, food, as mentioned in a google answers reply to a child cost inquiry, it would average out to 12,000 a year per child, or 1,000$ a month.
    Just no. I live on less than half of that, WITH RENT. Granted, food is cheaper in Europe. But there is just no way you can manage to spend that much extra money on a child, it's not like you have to rent an extra apartment for each one. You live in California or something?
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    I find It's the men that run away from hearing the word marriage and children, mainly western men, sadly. Probably because Men are frighten that the Women would rather work + carrier and leave the men at home with the kids.

    I do feel men want children but how it was- Women as the carers, Men bread winners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodebert View Post
    Let's say that between clothes, day care, food, as mentioned in a google answers reply to a child cost inquiry, it would average out to 12,000 a year per child, or 1,000$ a month.

    Pff, pricy

    There are some expensive sides on being a parent, yes. But not like €800 a month

    Im not saying having children cost nothing, but if you ignore the trendy clothes such as the newest nikes, Armani jeans, Gucci dresses and oversised Barbie Houses, then you're doing fine.

    The only things that are expensive are things like School, swimming and day care.
    Ofcourse one can make raising a child more expensive when adding horse riding, Ballet, footbal in this picture.

    We're (my wife and I) had some difficult times recently, with low income and things, thats over now luckily! Remember, kids make their own fun, going to the forrest cost nothing and the kids have a great day, No 300€ Playstation or X-box beats that
    ''Ginds de Waal, daar weer de IJssel, dan de Maas en ook de Rijn. Geeft ons recht om heel ons leven trots op Gelderland te zijn.''

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    As long as you don't do like others said, and be a slave to your kid's fashion (new brand name clothes twice a year, new toys every year -- speaking of pricey things like the latest x-Box this year -- children DO NOT need cell phones, especially ones with all the internet access, etc). Second-hand kid's clothes -- so long as they aren't all torn and shabby -- were fine for us when I was growing up. Send them out to play in the yard, mostly free other than maybe some balls to throw or other such things. The more rural you are, the easier it is for kids to have good, safe fun outdoors. Get them in Cub Scouts and Boy/Girl Scouts, etc.

    Most men want children, because just as much as it's instinct for a woman to want to birth children, it's man's instinct to leave a legacy. For a man to have no children can be a crushing thing in the end.

    Something often overlooked in the home these days, is that a lot of common crafts and such that women used to be skilled in, aren't prevalent anymore. Women used to knit and mend clothes. Sometimes crochet in heir spare time -- unlike the myth you do have some spare time. Men do help around the house, but the more expenses there are (i.e. the less frugal and able to manage money the woman is) the more the man works outside the home and the less he'll do at home. A woman who can properly manage money as well as the other aspects of running a household is surely a prize, especially so these days when such women are increasingly rare.

    Another thing not to overlook is that a lot of hobbies making things can be turned into extra money by selling those things. If you are skilled in some craft, it can be fun for you to teach the kids and have activity time when they are young. Though what they make won't be great, what you make may be and can be sold for extra money -- even if it's just enough to pay for the next activity, it's a relief of the burden of the household income. At best, you can take the extra moiney and have enough to add to the household savings.

    Having children isn't for people wo can't think, yet it seems they are the only ones having kids these days.

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    Consumerism is a weapon used by the elites to enslave us and reduce our population, as should be fairly obvious, by now.

    1.) Charge up your credit cards buying xboxes and other expensive stuff, so that you are a slave to debt, and 10-20% of your payment goes directly to a Rothschildist bank.

    2.) Become somehow convinced that these things are "necessities" because other kids have them. A lot of these ideas come from movies and television.

    3.) Decide that raising kids is really expensive, so stop at one (or none, since you are "still a kid yourself" and use those credit cards to buy new computer games and the latest video cards for yourself instead.)

    4.) The side effect of having just one or two kids who sit on their asses inside immersed in virtual reality is that they will likely be fat and have no social skills by the time they get to high school, so they will probably not find a mate and die childless themselves.

    So, the globalists squeezed every dime out of you while you slaved away for one of their corporations, and killed off your bloodline in the bargain!
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    I can't speak on behalf of my entire gender, but personally yes, I would love to have children, provided that:

    a) the clothes on their backs and the food on their table is not funded by the taxpayer (i.e I and/or my partner can provide for them)

    b) they are all born to one woman whom I am in a committed relationship with.

    c) I am racially compatible with the woman I have children with.


    Alas, too many people these days have no regard for any of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    In that you're just substituting bad parenting for over-zealous parenting that is going to keep them as unhappy with their free time as they in essence are when they play the Nintendo all day long. If you're going to demand they use their free time sensibly, enrol them to the tennis club or send them playing ice hockey, the chess club, or let them learn a martial art, this teaches discipline.

    In my humble opinion, also, once they've done a reasonable amount of supplementary study and a reasonable amount of alloted chores, they should have the liberty to go outside and play football or cowboys-and-soldiers with their friends. When I see a crooked wooden stick in the woods, I muse about the fact that these used to be guns when we were young, it's an uplifting experience and it teaches them both social competence, creativity and to think outside the box.

    When I was a child, we'd usually be finished with our homework and supplementary study by around 4PM, we'd in fact put extra effort into being studious in it, so that we'd get the full four hours to spend outside with our friends (minus the obligatory thirty minutes for dinnertime). Sometimes when we showed off to our mothers just how well we had learnt it, we were allowed an extra half our for being a good boy.
    I respect your point of view, and I know I'm a minority in my position, but I was raised very differently. I don't think I'd be the calm, collected, hard working, respectful man I am today had my father treated me differently. It's hard to explain because I don't want to indict other parents, but the way I see it, the reason our latest generations are so rebellious, disrespectful, lazy, selfish, self-entitled is the excess lavished on them by the modern parent.

    'Thinking outside the box' to me is just another way of saying rebellious and anarchic. Thinking outside the box leads to dissension and disorder, and this in turn leads to the atomized society we live in today. When a child feels authority from a stern father, the child is more likely to be obedient at school, more studious, more well-behaved, and will consequently grow up to become a productive member of society who observes and obeys rules and laws and doesn't try to convince himself he's 'unique' and 'individual' in the way every individualist does in this age, absolutely destroying group cohesion in the process. I'm extremely traditional in many senses, but it's getting harder to find people who feel the way I do.

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    I think it is just another layer of the propaganda against our people that men do not want children, or that they have a natural dislike of them. It is being planted in our heads in order to normalize such a behavior so it reproduces itself in the minds of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jens View Post
    Just no. I live on less than half of that, WITH RENT. Granted, food is cheaper in Europe. But there is just no way you can manage to spend that much extra money on a child, it's not like you have to rent an extra apartment for each one. You live in California or something?
    Well, I'm not saying I would spend that much, but you guys would probably take me for a tightwad if I went by MY estimation..

    I mean, with the way you guys were talking about the expenses, I figured it had to be some sort of astronomical amount. Forgive me.

    I don't see how children could be too much to handle, financially speaking at least. They might drive you up a wall and you won't get to sleep for years, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.. at some point in my life..

    Hope the chain of anti-consumerist posts weren't caused by any misunderstandings.. I certainly agree with all of them and have a similar mindset. I couldn't personally imagine spending anywhere near that much, but I also don't want to be un-realistic in thinking that it'll cost much less than it really will. I took those figures from google answers.. Nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodebert View Post
    I don't see how children could be too much to handle, financially speaking at least. They might drive you up a wall and you won't get to sleep for years, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.. at some point in my life..
    Actually kids will generally sleep at night, as long as you're able to fall back asleep after getting up at night your sleep pattern should remain relatively undisturbed.
    Apfelstrudel mit Vanillesoße, yeah I said it, what are you gonna do?

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