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    Typical emotional antiracist outburst...

    For one, the theory that everybody mixed back in the day ignores basic history. You make it sound as if Vikings took Negro or Indian wives, which is ridiculous. Interracialism is a very modern and recent phenomenon. Go back far enough in time and the most exotic faces your typical European saw was those from other social classes, villages or cities. For a long time the lack of modern infrastructure made it improbable for populations to mix. And of course there was the political factor. The beginning of the modern era saw romantic nationalism and the formation of nation states. Think that Germany had racial laws up to the 1940s and Americans practiced eugenics. Racial segregation was a fact up until the 70s. South Africa had the Apartheid until the 90s. People of different races lived separately and it was natural and normal for each to their lives with their own.

    Miscegenation is a modern phenomenon promoted by Hollywood and media which are shallow and low class and who possess little scientific knowledge and don't care about the consequences. Liberals and antiracists have an agenda to remove race from science, which is not only ridiculous but also distorts reality.

    My opposition to miscegenation is based on science and fact, while antiracist arguments are based on emotion and ignorance. Many people on Skadi are interested in fact instead of emotional propaganda so you will find articles that may seem offensive to the oversenstive, bleeding heart, TV conditioned liberal, but they are based on science and fact. Just search Skadi for the medical or psychological consequences of miscegenation, and you'll find some facts conveniently left out by the mainstream media. For example, if you are racially mixed, your chances of rejecting an organ transplant are pretty high. Nobody has issues with classifying dogs in races, but somehow we are supposed to use different arguments for humans.

    The simple reality is, if race-mixing were a highly positive, advantageous or productive outcome, we would evolve to do it naturally and wouldn't need guilt or shame politics and hate laws to force us into accepting it. Children as young as 3 are accused of racism because they develop a natural instinct towards their own. A normal, healthy European person is instinctively attracted towards another similar European type and wants to reproduce with that same type. Even the white people who racially mix still gravitate around predominantly white communities and want to live a typically white lifestyle. You rarely see them moving to Injun reservations or countries like Nigeria. The few that do get killed or scammed.

    But back to genetics and the theory that everyone is mixed, which liberals seem to love using. It doesn't deconstruct anymore though, because now we have genetic testing. And surprise surprise, people can actually tell with a certainty whether they are 100% white.

    As for quadroons, octoroons etc. who "look white", no they aren't white. Think biology. It may not show on them, but it might show in the children. Remember the "black and white" twins? Neither was white. There is more to race than just phenotype. Think of a cake and its icing. The icing can look good but the inside can still be stale.

    Honestly I think you're trying to fit in and gain acceptance so that you can feel better about your choice. You even try to find a spiritual pretext. But no, the gods didn't racially mix because there was no such thing as different races. The gods are manifestations of concepts and forces of nature and when they do take form, they take it in the form of the people who worshipped them, the Norse. They only had different social categories and trades. I don't know about you, but I've never seen any historical evidence of Negro or Inuit vikings. Oh yes, and Hollywood movies and commercials don't count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guđrún View Post
    Think that Germany had racial laws up to the 1940s
    These laws were introduced in 1935, by an unfreely elected parliament, which actually only approved them, but did not debate on them. The laws then, with amandmends, remained in force till 1945, when they were cancelled and nullified by the joint Allied governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union, who had assumed full governmental power over Germany. So, the laws have been in force for less than 10 years. Before 1935, there have never been such, or similar, laws in Germany.

    In 1912, there had been a debate in the German Reichstag (the legislative body), whether some sort of regulation had to be done about mixed-race marriages, which were increasing in the German colonies. Bu the debate then came to nothing, and after World War I, in 1920, Germany was deprived of all colonies, so the problem disappeared for the next 40 years.

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    Gudrun: all moral arguments are emotional.

    Logic by its definition has no inherent goal. People switch between syllogism and fallacy to attain what they want. And the moral parts of the brain work by lawyering not scientism.

    Shitlibs like smart and complex arguments and feel smart blowing smoke in people's eyes. Right wing idiots believe in simplistic appeals to facts and the overuse of conceptual boxes.

    All of us see this but peoples moral sense prevents debate. Because that would mean questioning and debunking ones own moral prejudices. Moralic acid.

    As regards race: race is empirically real, and people are not inter-exchangeable. (These facts would still stand, incidentally, were we to deny the biological basis of race or of heredity upon populations.) But there is no such thing as a pure race.

    Cjgreenwolf: and if you look at threads here people will downplay obvious foreign admixture in attractive females. Scientific? No. But its an instinct rooted in our evolutionary past. So is the preference for people genetically similar to oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjgreenwolf View Post
    Would you stand up and call our ancestors, YOUR ancestors, blood traitors and those children mongrels? If you trace back your own ancestry can you with 100% certainty say your blood is not mixed? Even 90%? If this is not so then at least one of your ancestors or more depending would be a blood traitor and your blood as such is tainted.
    I can say that according to my 23andMe DNA test results, I am 99.9% european, 93.1% of that is specifically northwestern european. To me, that's good enough, and probably a higher rate than the average white person. Most of the people I know scored in the 90's for european ancestry, but I have known of people who consider themselves white scoring in the 80s.

    To be realistic I'd say that while we wouldn't want to encourage further race mixing, there will likely always be some going on no matter how much we try to stamp it out; there's some that's already been done centuries ago, and what's residual will likely eventually drop off of the genome.

    We know that inbreeding produces genetic disease. Outbreeding can also produce genetic issues which are rarely explored in today's politically correct climate but nevertheless exist. These include problems in skin pigmentation, incompatible bone structures that produces awkward/weak frames, immune system issues, and various genetic diseases mixed offspring could inherit that they could not have inherited if their parents stayed within their own race. Racial mixing also means that finding a donor for a bone marrow transplant will be practically impossible for a mixed race child while it is not for a non-mixed child.

    Some residual nonwhite ancestry probably won't hurt anything, and how would you know anyway unless you can tell by the way they look or act? Do you get your potential mate to take a DNA test first and then exclude him or her based on the results?

    We would ideally want to minimize race mixing as much as possible in a ethnocentric society, but you're never going to be able to eradicate it altogether, and some periphery gene flow may be beneficial so that we don't end up like the jews who have an unusually high risk of genetic disease.

    It just happened that those who founded the Ashkenazi Jewish population had disease mutations and passed them along to their children. It is true that Ashkenazi Jews tend to marry within their own population, but it is also true that European Jews were prohibited by the Church from accepting converts to Judaism. Both factors contributed to keeping those mutations common. When Jews were able to openly seek and welcome converts to Judaism, only a few genetic diseases continued for many centuries.
    From:
    http://www.jewishmag.com/161mag/jewi...sh_disease.htm

    However, I'm not sure if periphery gene flow is needed at all, it's just a theory I have. We may already have enough genetic variation, but as our numbers shrink as a population, this may become an issue. More research should be done on the topic which I don't see happening any time soon.

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    I'm not a "white supremacist", but I would like to respond:

    Not all Vikings were race mixers. I would imagine that any who actually did were probably in a tiny minority.

    I get it - there might be a few among us here and there who mighthave a tiny sliver of nonwhite blood in them, going back six, ten, or twenty generations or more. Sure, this concerns me...but at the same time, I recognize that we still have a basically stable white population.

    Now granted, each case of a potential fraction of nonwhite blood must be considered on an individual basis. But generally I feel that if we're talking about something in the remote, way back of the woodpile; if this person appears and acts overwhelmingly white; and if he/she has a proven record of loyalty to our folk, chances are good I'm not going to dwell on it.

    This of course is entirely different than concluding that there are no meaningful standards whatsoever and that we should simply throw everything out the window.

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    The thing about calling someone a White Supremacist is you assume they want to rule over other races, when, in actuality, they don't. So, you're thinking more in line of a white nationalist, really.

    Anyway, about Vikings bringing non-European/non-Whites into their populations -- that's all propaganda by the leftists and tribe to relegate Scandinavian and Germanic culture. The media is controlled by a tiny, international clique that will take any kind of psychological swipe at the Germanic people every chance they get.

    A great example would be the likes of Japanese culture being promoted in the West. You'll see stupid shows like The Most Dangerous Warrior or whatever having Viking vs Samurai and Samurai winning. It's stupid. You'll have video games where Samurai have some kind of bonus against other cultures (like in Age of Empires II where they get a +2 damage bonus ). And then you'll have stupid weaboo-worship channels on Youtube that always make stupid scenario videos, and the Samurai always wins. It's all propaganda to denigrate our Germanic culture, history, and people.

    The race-mixing bit for ancient Scandinavians has never actually been solidly proven. Yeah, there's "accounts", but, uh, those are just "accounts" A good degree of Scandinavian history is actually ROOTED in mythology and legend (Ragnar Lothbrok, etc...) You shouldn't read too far into ancient Norse history, because, a lot of it was actually written down BY CHRISTIANS. Why would Christians want to get it 100% accurate?

    And if you don't believe in White Guilt, why are you bringing up the whole "White Supremacist" thing. Isn't that a common white guilt tactic?

    "Damn those Nazis and their haircuts!"

    As for your personal race-mixing question, just ask yourself one question then: Why would you want race-mixed children when you can have white children? Is there something negative with having white children? It seems like having white children is perceived as being overrated nowadays. That's just what I perceive in day to day living. Could possibly be some fine-tuning psychological warfare by our enemies, but, I don't know

    All in all, a great personal preference to have Germanic children is because I do believe you'll have stronger bonds with them and, this is for the father, at least I would know they're my children.

    My hair is more reddish than blonde, and I was more of a ginger when I was younger, so, when my son comes out looking like a ginger, at least I would know for certain that it's my son. I know it might be messed up to think I can't trust my wife, but, considering the world we live in, who can you really trust now? (Besides your own blood). If my child comes out brown, then I know for sure something is up >_>

    EDIT: You seem to be thinking the Aesir and Vanir were separate ethnic groups and races. Why would you read into it like that? They were clearly social classes, reflecting on ancient Norse culture at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc View Post
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    The race-mixing bit for ancient Scandinavians has never actually been solidly proven. Yeah, there's "accounts", but, uh, those are just "accounts" A good degree of Scandinavian history is actually ROOTED in mythology and legend (Ragnar Lothbrok, etc...) You shouldn't read too far into ancient Norse history, because, a lot of it was actually written down BY CHRISTIANS. Why would Christians want to get it 100% accurate?
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    Why would they want to get it in any for inaccurate? I'm actually reading up on Ragnar Lodbroek, and to me it seems people try to give a fair account with some heroifying elements though.

    Quite different than it's portrayed in the the TV-Series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ediruc View Post
    EDIT: You seem to be thinking the Aesir and Vanir were separate ethnic groups and races. Why would you read into it like that? They were clearly social classes, reflecting on ancient Norse culture at the time.
    The fun part is: Even if they turned out to be representing separate ethnic groups, they would exemplify a period in history where useful hybridisation between somewhat related or similar enough peoples took place at the wake of Germanic ethnogenesis such as Corded Ware types mixing with Bell Beaker types.

    When the Left these days argues that inter-ethnic mixing would have always happened the biggest they can conjure up on some grand-scale level would be any type of Roman soldier lying with an indigenous women. That's still the same race. And most of it will have happened between peoples that can be seen as tribes of at least the same meta-ethnicity anyway, such as having a Danish mother and a Norwegian father, no one sees an issue with that anyway.

    It's just typical moving the goalposts on behalf of the Left to fit their multi-cultural agenda. At no other point in history has it happened that millions of people from a completely different gene pool altogether were added into ours. That's new and it's failing for precisely that reason - the cultural and even genetic proximity doesn't help to integrate even the small numbers.
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    I'm surprised this thread is still going, pleased too actually. So thanks guys for taking time to answer me.

    Please excuse my own stereo types that I started out this question with I mean no disrespect and do remember I was born and raised very Liberal, so the red pill goes down a little hard some days.

    I have been doing a little more research into the alt right and race preservation and I do think it is a smart idea. I see hundreds of immigrants all around me who barely speak my language doing jobs that serve the public that white people aren't qualified for because they're white. It's hard seeing that I and my husband and children are becoming minorities in our own country and I wonder why such places as Germany, Sweden, Denmark etc don't rise up with Odin's power and erase these intruders and their handlers and apologists from their country. I get it, it isn't that easy. I don't get why our own prissy spoiled feminist Canadian women don't get up in arms over the way these newcomers treat women and children. WHY do they call for the blood of people like me and you and call us nazi fascists etc and yet they are eliminating our right to speak and think and be. We aren't even safe going to the hardware stores or a football game and then our FEMINIST PRIME MINSTER tells us the violence is due to white supremacy. IN CANADA?!!! Really?! In a country where out of 33million people give or take you have a whopping 15 acts of "hatred" against our new friends most of which is vandalism via spray paint?! In a year?!!? Seriously?!! They must really want us to rise up or lay down like a door mat.

    I have been listening to Red Ice lately and I like what they say. I agree with most of it.

    I'm going to ask another question just to clarify and to help me understand, please, I am not trolling I am trying to help understand. I feel like I have been choking down a lot of red pills lately in the last few years and deprogramming is hard.

    This might get me banned but the more I look at Hitler the less evil I find him, the more I wonder if he had a valid point with the Jews but only I don't see the Jews that way. I see the Muslims. So why did he hate the Jews, why do others? And trust me finding valid points with Hitler scares me to the marrow of my bones.

    As for my own race mixing, does it count if it is his great-grandmother? On either side? We are talking French Canadian. I don't revile the blood of his ancestors any more than I revile mine but I do prefer my children to marry white.

    Thank you very much for all the insight I have received so far and the patience that you guys are giving me.

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    To be fair, I don’t take lightly to the accusation in your initial post, that all of us are supposedly mixed with racial others. That’s not true for the overwhelming majority of Colonials and certainly not the case in Europe.

    Looking at any random genetic study, Old Stock Americans and Canadians plot squarely among the Northwestern European/Celto-Germanic cluster because that’s what they usually are, a mixture of Brits, Germans and Scandinavians with perhaps the odd Frenchman(usually from the Germanic influenced north/east) thrown in.
    Most ancestors of current Colonials came to the US quite late anyway and never had the “opportunity” to mix with Amerindians to begin with.

    A study("The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States") that specifically researched admixture in Americans(of all races) concluded:

    We find that many self-reported European Americans, predominantly those living west of the Mississippi River, carry Native American ancestry (Figure 3B). We estimate that European Americans who carry at least 2% Native American ancestry are found most frequently in Louisiana, North Dakota, and other states in the West. Using a less stringent threshold of 1%, our estimates suggest that as many as 8% of individuals from Louisiana and upward of 3% of individuals from some states in the West and Southwest carry Native American ancestry (Figure S7).
    Though they use the word “many”, 3% of the populations of some, rather sparsely populated, western states harboring any Amerindian admixture, which still doesn’t mean in amounts phenotypically relevant(in the wider sense not solely by looks), is hardly significant to me.
    Besides that, people using DNA testing are usually unsure about their origins anyway, so it’s not exactly random sampling. That indicates, that the amounts of admixture are even lower in reality.

    About Europeans:

    We find very low levels of African and Native American ancestry in Europeans with four grandparents born in Europe. We estimate that only 0.98% of Europeans carry African ancestry and 0.26% of Europeans carry Native American ancestry.
    […]
    Excluding countries that had major and minor ports in the Atlantic with strong connections to the slave trade (namely Portugal, Spain, France, and United Kingdom) and Malta, which has been the site of migrations from Africa and the Middle East, we obtain a data set of 9,701 Europeans, where we find African and Native American ancestry is virtually absent, with only 0.04% of individuals carrying 1% or more African ancestry and 0.01% carrying 1% or more Native American ancestry, within the margins of survey error estimates.
    Admixture into the Old American gene pool was low due to the sentiment of the day in regards to interracial mixture and already due to very low Amerindian population size(being mostly semi-nomadic hunter gatherer societies and also due to war and epidemics).
    Amerindians on the other hand seem to have looked at mixture differently and acquired quite a lot of male European contribution by fur traders. So any mixture with Amerindian’s from about the mid 19th century on, wasn’t with genetically full Amerindians anyway.


    Your ideas about Vikings bringing back non-Europeans in any numbers (yes, who knows, it might have happened in some individual instance) are obviously ridiculous. Already simply because they, contrary to myth, rarely ventured outside European territory proper.
    Those that did, usually died in the foreign lands and for what it’s worth, due to that there’s certainly “more”(though still pretty much equal to zero) Viking blood among North Africans and Levantines than vice versa.
    But it’s all a somewhat understandable emotional reaction in light of your own situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cjgreenwolf View Post
    As for my own race mixing, does it count if it is his great-grandmother? On either side? We are talking French Canadian. I don't revile the blood of his ancestors any more than I revile mine but I do prefer my children to marry white.

    Thank you very much for all the insight I have received so far and the patience that you guys are giving me.
    Generally I think Elessar and HoM already said it already pretty well in their posts.
    These aren’t exactly times and circumstances in which it would make any sense to condemn, otherwise good, people sympathetic to our cause, for something their remote ancestors did and which might not be true and mere rumour in the first place.

    We’re not all that interested if the great-great-great-great-great-grandfather of some individual among millions had a fling with a, probably already half European squaw on the plains, but we’re interested in, and worried about, the currently ongoing total destruction of our, besides that of others’, peoples, cultures and race.

    If people on here might sometimes come across as “supremacists” or hateful of other races, it’s a mere emotional overreaction, similar to yours I spoke about, in light of our current impotence to our fate.

    My advice to you would be, first become aware of who you are and what you want, stop emphasizing a drop of possible, and in any case, genetically irrelevant, Amerindian blood, especially on this forum, where it certainly won’t do you any good and you can hardly expect us to accept that. Then you should have little problems to fit in.
    As I said, much more important things are at stake.
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