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    Question Which Civilization Other Than IE & Egyptian Were White?

    i often see the claim made that "white people invented almost everything" — i think that is right if you include Modernity. but also some say the invented not almost everything but literally everything — which is of course idiotic.

    to be able to find out the ratio of inventions by race, i need to have knowledge on which peoples are "white."

    here a list of some inventions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...ric_inventions

    March of the Titans says that the inventors of flushing toilets were the inhabitants of Crete: "The original Mediterranean racial composition of this first Cretan civilization has been confirmed by the anatomists Bowdy Dawkins, W.L.H. Duckworth and Felix von Lauschan, all of whom excavated and examined skeletal remains on Crete: their unanimous conclusion was that the Cretans were all members of the (now virtually extinct) Mediterranean subrace."

    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/librar...ite%20Race.pdf

    If thread about this topic already exist, I´d be interested to know.

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    How are Mediterraneans "now virtually extinct"? Minoan Crete in any case came from Catal Huyuk, the population of which had affinities to both Cordeds and the like, and Atlanto-Mediterraneans. So-called true Mediterraneans are surely independently gracilised Atlanto-Mediterranean people judging from their lack of genetic relatedness.

    The Chinese probably amassed more innovations than anyone in the world. Charles Murray, I don't want to jump on the bandwagon against him, but he dismissed Needham's encyclopedia volumes to support his point about western civilisation. Someone reviewed the evidence more completely and concluded the problem was that Chinese culture was opposed to the application of science, as were other cultures among others the Greeks and Romans - we know about Heron of Alexandria. Also contrary to popular opinion the Medieval period saw an urge in applied innovations such as water wheels. The Arab empires did better with Classical knowledge than the ancients like the Franks.

    China however remained particularly stagnant unlike Japan's ability to modernise rapidly. Byzantium was stagnant like Imperial China.

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    The two greatest race which have builded the civilizations are the Indo-Mediterranid (Indians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans) and the Sinid Mongolid (Han China, Yamato-Japan). Our dear Nordish ancestors hunted each other naked and drugged with mushrooms when these Mediterranids and Sinids made the greatest empires of the world. Moreover the Indian, the Persian, the Chinese and the Japanese empires are existing nowadays too.

    The nazis were absolutely wrong that they claimed the Nordish race as a "culture maker race", a "suprame race". No, this is not true. Our ancestors were bloodthirsty barbarians, but they have started to learn.

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    In general, it seems that true civilizations develop once Aryan, nomadic, "solar", patriarchal, egalitarian, creative races meet with local, Chtonic, "lunar", matriarchal, hierarchical races, as it did in India (with the local Dravidian element), in Europe (with the native Alpine and Etruscan elements) and even in China (with the Tocharians "fertilizing" the Chinese culture, brining them the horse and other innovations).

    The Aryans have a high sense of organization, morality and of the rule of law, while the Chtonic races have more intuition, art of living and more connection to the earthy, practical side of life. Neither of the two types of races is perfect in itself. It is when they meet that we see brilliant civilizations appearing, it seems.

    We notice for instance that when a culture is purely Aryan, there are no sculptures, sophisticated temples, big cities, etc. Only war and commercial trade (the British in the Modern Age are an example of this). The Aryan does not bother with embellishing his surrounding and settings things in stone. He's always on the move.

    When a culture is purely Chtonic on the other hand, then the whole society is based on social status, hierarchy, nepotism and there is little curiosity to expand one's horizons, to learn from others or to evolve in any way (that's how most of the world is). There is little space nor incentive for the development of new technologies. People live off the land, or steal from each other (as in the deserts of the Middle East).

    When the Aryan element in a civilization gets diluted and fades away, the culture becomes stales and degenerates. Depending on the quality of the racial mixture, it can preserve itself in immobility virtually forever (like China) or it can decay into oblivion under the pressure of inferior blood (like the civilizations of the Middle East did).

    The Sumerian, Assyrians, Persians, etc were at least partially Aryan, as per their language, their gods and social structure. Then they got overwhelmed by Semitic/Negroid blood (what we today call "Arab") and disappeared.

    Usually, their remaining Aryan elites moved out and immigrated into the next remaining civilization and bring with them their technical and spiritual knowledge (Babylonian elites moved into Egypt, then when Egypt was sinking, their elites moved into Greece, when Greece sank, their elites moved into Rome, etc.).

    China also developed into a civilization once the seed of civilization was planted by small numbers of Aryan pioneers (Tocharians and others). And then they were smart enough to retain most of the useful things over the next thousands of years.

    A modern day example of these phenomenon would be places like Hong Kong, Singapore or Taiwan, where once Aryan law (British Common Law) is implemented among a Chtonic race of good blood (ethnic Chinese) along with a tiny elite of Aryan managers/rulers/advisors, then that particular places flourishes. If you'd remove the Aryan element and Aryan laws, those places would in a few decades return to typical Chinese nepotism, corruption and top-down, hierarchical forms of organization.

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    If we are talking about civilized achievements the Sinid and the New World Walcolid/Centralid, and their derivatives, are equal to the white races. But I don't understand why the Nordics are more or less achieved than the so-called Mediterraneans though I recognise the Meds started much earlier. People forget the Persians, Medes and the Aryan strain in India were racially closer to the Nordics than to the Mesopotamians or the Egyptians. Not to mention the invasions that saw the Indo-European ideology spread into southern Europe. Hinduism and other South Asian religions are of a northern heritage and the Vedic texts repeatedly mention blue eyes: the founder of Buddhim also had light hair and eyes.

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    People often wonder about North Africans.

    Most North Africans cluster with Europeans on the right side of this graph. However a lot of them still score under 0.00 for whiteness.



    Same study separates:

    • black Africans from the white races - pc1 above
    • North Africans from other whites - pc2
    • Europeans from Semitic West Asians (not shown)
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    An interesting topic.

    Many peoples had inventions, and it's hard to always say who influenced whom.
    The Aztec city of Tenochtitlan also had plumbing, and the Spaniards marveled at it.
    So there were also parallel inventions (unless there was prehistoric cross-continental contact as some suggest, but hard evidence is lacking).

    But a lot of these ancient city-state inventions were not perfect.
    Sure, maybe they helped to keep the inner cities clean, but I'm not so sure about about using an ancient Roman, or even Victorian toilet.
    In ancient Rome they were communal for men (with heavy incense smoke), there was one sponge on a stick for all, rats could nibble your funny bits, and methane gas could explode.
    Public toilets had a prayer people said before using them, usually to the Goddess of the great sewer, Cloaca.

    No wonder then that when the Romans were driven out, the indigenous peoples of Europe and Britain abandoned their sewers and went back to using their fields (which probably also helped for fertilizing the land).

    Only in the last 250 years of so did we make these leaps and bounds in household technology.

    And that advance from rudimentary things to modern household objects came with a degree of political freedom, the growth of the middle class and the scientific method as distinct from religion.

    This is what allowed our perfection, I think.
    And other cultures don't have it until this day.

    Even the urban Victorians had some form of things many people in the West enjoy today. The first indoor plumbing (which still sometimes exploded in people's houses), the first indoor heated bath-tubs (which were gas heated and could suddenly scald people to death), and the first plastics were highly flammable (a discarded cigar stub could light women's dresses on fire).
    They still needed some tweaking, but we tweaked it quickly from then.

    I'd look more at the rapid recent advances, whether entirely new, or based on older technologies that appeared and disappeared for centuries until we perfected them more, and thus allowed their widespread popularity, mostly in the last two centuries.

    I'm thinking more household objects, but we were often peoples at war somewhere, and that is also a mother of invention, and there is an overlap. Not saying we need to be aggro to invent, but it so happens that the cultures who did were often at organized war. Even something like super-glue was apparently first meant to stick gaping wounds together. Canned foods and so forth...

    As far as foods go, a lot came from Native Americans via the "Columbian exchange": chilies, maize, potatoes, tomatoes, tobacco and so forth. And to give credit where credit is due, many of their nations were innovative agriculturalists who developed plants that still feed many across the globe today.

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