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    Post Re: St Valentine's day

    scoob, I do believe St. Valentines Day is supposed to honor St. Valentines, a Christian; not a celebration of paganism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Dearg Doom
    Valentines Day is useless indeed. That said, I intend to take full advantage of it!
    *sigh* Typical hypocrisy on the part of women. OY! My respect for you whores has dropped to a new low.

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    Post Re: St Valentine's day

    ...but who had the more fun on the day in question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by An Dearg Doom
    ...but who had the more fun on the day in question?
    Probally you. Nothing special happened on my Valentines Day. Plus since when you self-centered women ever give presents to anybody for any occasion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Yeah women are the only ones who benifet from this consumerist BS. Since is it that only the man has to express his affection for his love by buying her gifts and shit. You'd think a simple "I love you" would count. But I guess women have become too much of gold-diggers to ever simply accept that.
    Well, that's what you think. I was the one to have bought my boyfriend a gift this year and received none. Did I complain? No. But he's finishing up my project now. In any case I usually prefer buying gifts to receiving them. What's really exciting is to see the person's expression when he/she opens the package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Well, that's what you think. I was the one to have bought my boyfriend a gift this year and received none. Did I complain? No. But he's finishing up my project now. In any case I usually prefer buying gifts to receiving them. What's really exciting is to see the person's expression when he/she opens the package.
    Well Rusalka, first off your profile saids you're Slavic, so that can explain something. But mostly I think you're just the exception that proves the rule!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushkin
    Yeah women are the only ones who benifet from this consumerist BS. Since is it that only the man has to express his affection for his love by buying her gifts and shit. You'd think a simple "I love you" would count. But I guess women have become too much of gold-diggers to ever simply accept that.
    Generally, I see that this is for the most part true... But there are more women than you'd think that will hand out valentine's and the such. At least, there is around this area. *shrugs*

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    Valentine's Day: Cultural Celebration or Commercial Holiday?

    I'm curious if Valentine's Day exists in your country and if you celebrate it. Is it part of your national culture or was it an imported custom? For me it's the latter, like Halloween and other holidays which were adopted from the outside.

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    Valentine was a Christian martyr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardisten View Post
    Valentine was a Christian martyr.
    Valentine was the name of not one, but of several early Christians later declared as martyr; which of the three martyrs named Valentine, is I believe, still unclear.

    Whether or not this is a reason to celebrate his memory, I will leave up to the individual. If a Christian feels close to that saint and so chooses that he wishes to honour that saint, who am I to forbid him that.

    About the question as to whether Valentine's Day has anything to do with St. Valentine, apart from the date, I am sorry to disappoint you - there is no actual indication that St. Valentine was a patron of lovers.

    That instead appears to be a younger tradition, the first myths we now know about St. Valentine are first mentioned for the 14th century. One would assume that with the family being the supposed core unit of Christianity, earlier writers would have made mention of such myths.

    Instead, it is quite the other way around: A 14th century French manuscript makes no mention of Valentine being a patron of lovers, in fact it is not until the 18th century that we have conclusive proof of it being a holiday of affection.

    Aside from this, it has been suggested that the date was specifically chosen to supersede a pre-Christian Roman holiday dedicated to health and fertility (Lupercalia).
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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