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    Is Alcohol an Integral Part of Germanic Culture?

    This has been a regularly recurring topic, and it's popped up a lot in the threads about drug legalization. So I figured it deserves its own topic.

    Do you think alcohol drinking is an integral part of our Germanic culture, and should it be treated differently than the use of other drugs?
    Obviously, alcohol has been an element of many ancient cultures, including ours, for better or worse. I imagine many people here (like myself) drink casually on some occasions. Then there's others who never drink at all, prefering to be healthy at all times. What do you think about drinking culture among Germanic men and women?

    Last, but not least, what kinds of alcoholic drinks do you favor yourselves?

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    As a German Heathen, Mead is an important part of ritual to me. I don't have issues with people drinking as long as they do it responsibly, don't drink and drive.

    In my youth, I guzzled alcohol, like most youths. I now drink in moderation, except at special occasions (My sons commissioning as a US Army Officer, I was shit faced at the after party). I use Mead for ritual purposes, drink a beer a month (mostly German imports or Killians Red), and drink Makers Mark Whiskey on occasion.

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    It's worth remembering that alcoholic beverages were once the only form of safe liquids available for public consumption.

    As for alcoholic beverages being an integral part of Anglo-Saxon culture, one has only to look at the utter failure that was the American prohibitionist movement.

    I, myself, don't imbibe and find people who do tiresome, but there is simply no way you will EVER take alcohol out of Anglo-Saxon/European culture.
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    I drink rarely and little. Mostly at special occasions.
    I don“t mind people using alcohol moderately and safely. However I do oppose excessive use of it as it can lead to dangerous outcome and destroys that persons spirit if it becomes a habit.
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    Alcohol has been an integral part of Indo- European culture for a couple of millenias or so. Norwegians, Russians, Germans, Irishmen, Britons, Scots, Italians, Spaniards, Swedes.. Just about every white culture has its own form of whiskeys, vodkas, beers, and/ or wines. Now, there are people who drink for pleasure and fun in social environments and people who drink to numb their minds as a means to forgetting their problems even if the solution is temporary. Alcohol has left people unaltered and it has dragged people down into sh*t. I wouldn't put the blame on alcohol per se though. Despite the fact that there are people whose lives have decayed subsequent to having started drinking, most alcoholics drink themselves into stupors due to living a troubled life. Alcohol plays a neutral part in our society if you ask me. It's the stability of the mind of the individual in question that determines whether or not he'll be a raging madman and loser hobo on the streets after a few bottles. There are weak minds and there are strong minds. Let the strong prevail.

    Oh and I fancy Ruskova Russian Vodka, St. Pauli Girl German lager, , Guinness, and Estrella Galicia Celtiberian beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden View Post
    Do you think alcohol drinking is an integral part of our Germanic culture, and should it be treated differently than the use of other drugs?
    I'm not sure to say it is automatically an integral part of our Germanic cultures, however a lot of beverages that contain alcohol are part of the social settings that are integral to our culture.

    I don't think alcohol is necessarily the central part of the socialising process, it is concurrent. I have enjoyed barbeque parties with friends where we outlawed the use of alcohol except for accompanying the meal, last year's New Year's party was wonderful even though we shared a sixpack amongst the eleven of us, and I have enjoyed heading to the pubs drinking nothing but alcohol-free wheat-bear.

    I do think it should be treated differently though. The problem is the mindset. Five litres of wine (which was then of much lower alcohol content) a day did not ruin Goethe, so as long as the mindset is fine, I believe that moderation can be practiced by most responsible folks. Otherwise responsible folks don't typically drift into full-fledged alcoholism unless they have some mental-health issue such as depression at the time.

    Then there's others who never drink at all, prefering to be healthy at all times. What do you think about drinking culture among Germanic men and women?
    I like a good beer, but I believe I can keep it in relative moderation most of the times. Sure, there's been occasions I got ridiculously rat-arsed on, and there's been mindsets in which I would more commonly over-indulge. At this point, after a few sorry incidents where I should have better stayed clear of the bottle, I've decided that I will no longer drink when I'm in a bad mood, alcohol with me tends to amplify the mood I'm in, so if I'm in a good mood I'll be all happy and funny, if I'm in a bad mood already it won't end well.

    My personal level of moderation is usually 4-6 beers spread out across an evening. That's the point where I will decide that I've had enough. After that - everyone has such a fringe - I'd reach a point (9-10 beers) where I'll just start pouring down beer after beer, will randomly befriend strangers and will randomly chase after random girls' skirts, so I make a regular point of stopping my intake after that earlier amount as this is not the type of predicament I would want to see myself in.

    Last, but not least, what kinds of alcoholic drinks do you favor yourselves?
    Oh, I do enjoy a lot. Mead is obviously prerequisite for basically any ritual, but can also be drunk socially in a round of friends, though not all too regularly. Most of the times I drink beer, though I'd call myself a conoisseur, as whenever I get the chance, I will opt for a more expensive, but higher-quality brand of beer.

    I do also enjoy a good glass of white wine though every now and again. Austria is traditional not only for its beer but also for its white wine (red wine less so, though we sometimes drink South Tyrolese red win, which is quite renowned), so it is difficult growing up here - especially in a family who like a good glass of wine - without acquiring some sort of knowledge, and then it can be nice in a more formal round.

    That being said, I exclusively drink good wine. I drink wine quite rarely, but when I do drink it, it has to be top-notch. That being said, our family has a high loyalty to wine-farms we have bought from for years.

    I do not routinely drink high-percentage beverages. A good glass of Styrian schnapps or finest Scottish whisky be honoured, and I will not frown upon; but I have never gotten the point behind using high-percentage stuff to get really drunk. Such things are meant to be enjoyed, not gulped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kungen av Norden View Post
    This has been a regularly recurring topic, and it's popped up a lot in the threads about drug legalization. So I figured it deserves its own topic.

    Do you think alcohol drinking is an integral part of our Germanic culture, and should it be treated differently than the use of other drugs?
    Obviously, alcohol has been an element of many ancient cultures, including ours, for better or worse. I imagine many people here (like myself) drink casually on some occasions. Then there's others who never drink at all, prefering to be healthy at all times. What do you think about drinking culture among Germanic men and women?

    Last, but not least, what kinds of alcoholic drinks do you favor yourselves?
    It does have a place in our culture, bound together as it was with the agricultural way of life in Germanic countries in the making of beer (of relatively low strenght). I'm not too well versed in the specifics of the historic production and consumption of this beverage, whether the average households kept themselves stocked with low alcohol beers throughout most of the year (as some sources seem to describe), made from stored grains, or if it was more limited to post-harvest times and certain celebrations (perhaps differing quite a bit from country to country, and region to region in this regard). But it seems as though one can safely say that some sort of mid to low alcoholic beer had its place in this society.

    Once potatoes were introduced and cultivated in a large scale, distilled spirits became much more common than they were when grains had to be used, and enormous social problems followed in its wake. The household beers of 4% or below (with lower strenght beers for women and children) perhaps did not lend themselves to the same type of drinking and abuse as spirits, due to a limited supply of grains which in turn limited the consumption, and the lower strenght to volume ratio requiring larger quantities to be consumed (and with beer being combined with food most often).

    It seems from my layman's perspective that our culture was able to sustain itself quite well whilst beer made up the primary source of alcohol, and with other fermented beverages such as mead (of potentially higher alcohol strenght) being less common and not an everyday drink. But once we knew how to distill, and the raw materials were found in ample supply, we ran into trouble which towards the end of the 19th century threatened the health of the society and culture as a whole.

    The mass production of beer nowadays coupled with disposable incomes allow for a type of consumption which would have been difficult to achieve during earlier periods of agriculture, which means that the potential for problems also is far greater today even with beer.

    The concept of moderation I think has alot in common with the way of life led by our beer-consuming ancestors, consuming limited amounts of beer at special occasions or together with a meal now and then makes the most sense for us from a historic and cultural perspective. This is the type of consumption that I see from my extended family, those who have families of their own. They have left their early and late 20s behind them and consume alcohol in limited amounts at special occasions or with meals.

    The low-strenght beers live on in Sweden due to our progressive alcohol taxes, providing lower-taxed low-alcohol beers that are mostly drunk by fathers of a certain age, an alternative to full strenght beers that might otherwise be consumed on weekdays. Whether this will live on among younger generations or if it will be replaced by wine and full strenght beer over time remains to be seen I suppose.

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    I'm sure we already have threads on this.

    I think limited alcohol use is fine, drinking friday and saturday every weekend is not good.

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    Its always had a place in society but the problem these days binge drinking.

    Binge drinking has been made to look cool by the media and a percentage of people actually believe its great to get wasted. Standards of behaviour have dropped dramatically over the decades and drink tends to bring out the bad behaviour in some people.

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    I like having beers with my friends and going out to pubs. I rarely actually get drunk, but it happens occasionally, on special occasions. I don't see the harm in that.
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