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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadur View Post
    This has been a regularly recurring topic, and it's popped up a lot in the threads about drug legalization. So I figured it deserves its own topic.

    Do you think alcohol drinking is an integral part of our Germanic culture, and should it be treated differently than the use of other drugs?
    Obviously, alcohol has been an element of many ancient cultures, including ours, for better or worse. I imagine many people here (like myself) drink casually on some occasions. Then there's others who never drink at all, prefering to be healthy at all times. What do you think about drinking culture among Germanic men and women?

    Last, but not least, what kinds of alcoholic drinks do you favor yourselves?
    Moderate drinking is healthy for people who are truly moderate, who do not binge drink. Both beer and wine have health and nutrition benefits when consumed with no more than 1-3 drinks per day, and definitely no more than 6 drinks in a single period of alcohol consumption.

    Wine wins in terms of health benefits, but beer has health benefits as well, with hard liquor not providing much medicinal benefit, unless one uses a nice brandy during shock or whiskey or vodka in lieu of cough syrup to avoid taking cold medicines full of chemicals, like pseudoephedrine. I personally would rather sip vodka and orange juice than ingest many of the nasty synthetic things in over-the-counter cold medicines if I'm under the weather.

    Wine and beer are also culinary embellishments to a good meal, and flavors can be paired.

    I think alcohol in these moderate amounts is actually an important aspect of traditional European culture in general, and also to Germanic culture specifically.

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    Of course alcohol has been part of our history and culture, the significance of its use varying at times e.g. religious, medicinal, social. Social drinking has been part of Germanic culture for a long time. Mostly though it didn't include actually getting drunk. People limited their intake to a few beers or glasses of wine, or even a few shots to help them lighten up and remove social inhibitions. In that sense, used in moderation alcohol can help facilitate informal social interaction. Unfortunately, nowadays the "culture" of the youth is to drink whole weekends, to the point of losing touch with reality and passing out. Alcoholism is dangerous and usually brings out the worst in people, so alcohol must be handled with care and a certain sense of self-moderation must be practiced.

    I don't think alcohol should be treated any differently from other drugs, rather the attitude towards alcoholism and binge drinking should be changed. For many it's an act of rebellion, peer pressure is also a considerable factor. Also I don't think alcohol and drug education should be a controversial matter. Unfortunately many learn about it when it's too late.

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    I, personally, have no time to drink. I am a student with a job on the weekdays and no money to blow on alcohol on the weekends lol.

    Why should Germanics refrain from drinking though? It is not only part of our history, it is one of the pleasures of life given to us by the Gods.

    Though one should always remember the Havamal passages:

    "A worse provision on the way he cannot carry than too much beer-bibbing; so good is not, as it is said, beer for the sons of men."

    "Let a man hold the cup, yet of the mead drink moderately, speak sensibly or be silent. As of a fault no man will admonish thee, if thou goest betimes to sleep."

    Germanics are also known for discipline so, use self control!!

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    I enjoy alcohol most days, usually in moderation

    I think this is normal for Europeans.

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    Alcohol is not necessary. The minor advantages it has are not significant compared to the harm it does. How does a modern Oktoberfest compare to an ancient decadent orgy of the Romans or a 70's hippy junkie party? It's the same disgusting principle.

    Many defenders of alcohol excuse it because they like and want to drink, just like crackheads excuse drugs and push for legalization because they want to get high.

    The religious excuse has to be laughable, just like these threads about the plants of our ancestors supported by hippies who want some deep philosophical pretext to smoke weed. It's known that alcohol and drugs cause hallucinations and trick the brain. How can you use that for religious enlightening? It's no wonder religious people believe all sorts of irrational and ridiculous nonsense.

    At the very least public consumption of alcohol should be banned. That eliminates binge drinking and drunk student parties. I've been often on the streets and some drunk trying to harass me. It's not pleasant. The abuse of alcohol outweighs the moderate drinking. You've seen it here on Skadi even with nationalists. I'm appalled by the number of Skadi members who support alcohol and the legalization of marijuana and other drugs. How do we expect to guide other people to our cause and clean up the mess in our countries when we can't control ourselves first?

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    There is ways to combat abuse of such substances without outright banning. The banning of alcohol hardly made any less alcoholics and it served to form whole crime rings around the substances.

    I agree though, that it should be banned out in the public, as should the smoking of any substance.
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    To those that recognize the problems caused by alcohol, what measures would you like to see implemented? Apart from dissallowing alcohol use in public (after all, I think most problematic drinking occurs within the confines of the home)? Sweden has a monopoly which I support, but the EU membership combined with low-tax neighboring countries and limitless import quotas undermines the goal of the monopoly.

    From the Swedish perspective, Denmark is seen as one big tax-free store for alcohol, whilst in Denmark they are concerned about the even lower taxes found in Germany (from what I have heard at least). The EU system and Schengen creates these problems when high tax countries and low tax countries border onto one another, and with these borders effectively erased.

    Lowering the import quotas and ensuring effective enforcement at the border check points should be a priority in my opinion. This allows for a more effective monopoly which isn't undermined by other channels. Current EU law of course prevents this since it would be seen as restricting the free movement of goods, so there would have to be changes in this area as well.

    A monopoly system does not prevent all abuse, it doesn't reduce the alcohol consumption in any linear way, but it keeps the problems at a lower level than would be the case if it would be eliminated, or if taxes would be lowered also. It allows everyone to buy alcohol as they wish, but at a relatively high cost to not encourage stockpiling or overuse. In my opinion it's a sensible compromise and I do feel as though there needs to be a compromise on this issue as opposed to prohibition, which I do not support.

    But how do others feel about a monopoly system like the one we have in Sweden, in countries where no such system currently exists?

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    I think you have to cut to the reasons of why people drink to such an extent.

    Normally binge drinking and all other problems related with it comes from having an otherwise crappy and unfulfilled life. A relatively affordable way for some, of getting away from the pressures and boredom of modern existence and it's easier to achieve than buying that pointless expensive thing you will never have enough money to buy.

    I will also say that the Havamal gives the best advice on drinking and a lot of other things too. But to ban it outright is like some crazy, extreme Methodist nonsense. The world would implode very quickly IMO without people having a drink to relax and have fun.




    'I went to my doctor to ask some advice about drinking. My doctor said 'Do you have a problem with drinking?, I said 'No, I enjoy it!'.

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