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    Was Hitler the Man of the Catholic Church?

    The Christianity looses Europe, because the informational society can bring the black side of the Church to the wide mass and the people can know about other cults and religion, moreover they can compare them. The uncensored History can show that 2000 year old bloodshed what is the Church in the real life.

    Hence the priests have gone to the Thirld World where are many illiterate people without any school or just basic school or exactly the Church have schools and thus they will be christianized when he/she finishes the school. Moreover the population of the Thirld World grow extremely and this is better hunting place for the Church than the educated, free minded, but reducing Europeans.

    The Christianity always has need large numbered, idiot, uneducated, mentally disordered people, because this kind of men easier believ the greatest idiotisms of the World. This kind of men believ anything and some of them choose the torture or the death for an idiotism. Hence was the Classical Antiquity is bad for the Christianity as the Philosophs in the squares of Athen made ridiculous the Christian fanatics. However when Constantinus needed an universal religion what he could force to any roman subjects, he has chosen the Christianity as an Imperial Religion. Nobody know why. The Classical Antiquity, well, under the Barbarian invasions, lived.

    Just under Theodosius has banned the old pagan cults, the Olympia and engaged the fanatic hordes whos were mostly monks, the most fanatic kind of Christians. I went to a Monastery-Temple very often many years ago and the monks can say the greatest idiotism, f.e. Tsunami is the wrath of God and etc. So this kind of monk hordes started to destroy the old temples, cultic places, the libraries what were the gather-points of the pagan studies. The military and the urban law enforcment what was well developed in the great cities in the roman time did not guard the pagan places against the monk hordes. The Western Empire was not so critical place, they lived together the old paganism and the Christianism. The Frank kings and later Emperors started destroy the paganism in the Germanic world what followed the Keltic, the Slavic and the Norse rulers. In Hispany was the Muslims, in Italy this was the age when the Church started to grow and it destroyed all pagan remains.

    However in the Germanic and in the Slavic world in the North in the village the heathendom is survived till the age of Reformation where the remained heathen medicine man/woman and heathen priest/priestness killed as witch or wizzard.
    Only in the Norse countries were where but were violent actions f.e. in Sweden between the heathen and christian noblemen, but there spread silently the Christianism, moreover the christian writers have written the old Sagas as neautral historic stories or fairy tales. There was not the fanatism as in the Frank Empire or in the Eastern Empire. In the Levante and North-Africa was a bless that the Saracens defeated the Christians, because they did not destroy the pagan books, but the Saracens used this knowledge.

    In the place where the Western Christianity and the Muslim world met, Hispany and South-Italy the pagan knowledge could leak back into the Christian world. Because the fall of Constantinople in 1453 the greek scholars went to Italy too. This is the reason why was the centre the Renaissance is Italy. The bookprinting is invented in Germany, the German Rulers wanted secesse from Rome, two these points led to the Reformation where England, Scandinavia and the most of the Holy Roman Empire had secessed from the Church. The Church started the Counter-Reformation, hence in Spain, in France and in Italy stayed catholic and the remained last pagans were killed by the Holy Inquisition. The Entlightment in the catholic France and in the protestant England started defeat the Church in Europe. Well, somebody in the Catholic University said that the Protestantism is the first step to the Atheism. Many German philosopher had protestant pastor father like as Nietzsche.

    As German I hate these religious scene what was the 30 years war where Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam the 2/3 of the German population was eliminated. After it the Vatican often has conspirated against the Berliner Court, because Prussia and later the German Empire was one of the greater protestant Power (the other the British Empire). The Jesuits till the end of the war had conspirated in the Entente-countries. However once the Austrian Empire was a pillar of the Church, they went against them, because the Austro-Hungarian Empire was inhe Church had chosen and it let to destroy the Austrian Empire. Only the Bavarian and the Berliner Communist Revolution stopped their conspiracy.

    The last offensive of the Church was the support of catholic fascist dictators like as Mussolini, Franco, Horthy (in Hungary), Dollfuß (in Austria) and the Austro-Bavarian Hitler. One of the deed was when Mussolini toke off the power and secure, that in 1929 he has maden the Lateran Treaty with the Church. Between the fall of the Papal State in the 19th century and this treaty, the pope was an italian citizen and the buildings of the Church stood on italian soil. Mussolini has created the Vatican City as an indpendent state with some outer object as the Lateran Cathedral (what was the original main cathedral in Rome till the rise of the Papacy when the Saint Peter basilica has becomen the main cathedral) and the Castel Gandolfo in the beautiful italian countryside.

    Hitler was an Austrian, later Bavarian Catholic. The Church supported him, because they feared a newer Communist Revolution in Bavaria and Berlin. Hitler good relations with the Holy See worsened under the war as it had becomen more brutalic. The last notes about Hitler tell that he staid Catholic till his dead.

    The pope with these fascist dictators wanted destroy his main enemy, the Soviet Communist State. Maybe this was the reason that Hitler conquered the half of Europe, but they fanaticly wanted attack the Sovietunion what was the ally of the isolated Weimarian Republic and later the Hitlerist State. Hitler in the Sovietunion could test own tanks, heavy artilerry, aircrafts what were banned in the Wersailles Treaty. The Sovietunion was a confident ally after closely two decade. We learnt in the Catholic Unversity that Stalin wanted attack. However I have red that Stalin mentally collapsed to more weeks when own ally attack him. I believ the last version, because Stalin had peace with Japan, but he had interests in China and Mongolia. He need a secure back what was Germany under 20 years. Well, Hitler fanatically wanted attack the Sovietunion and maybe... maybe he had some deel with the Vatican that he will be enough strong, he will attack the greatest enemy of the Papacy. Maybe Hitler feared from the Vatican, because they supported when he went to the power and he dropped the civil parrties from the power, but those few thousand SS-soldier would not defend him againts the practics and power methods of the 2000 years old Vatican and he might think if he do not destroy the Communism, the Vatican will find another German who will lead the German Armed Forces into the Communist State.

    Well, Hitler lost the war, the fascist systems have fallen in Europe, last Franco's Spain and the Sovietunion had conquered the half of Europe. Stalin once asked the pope that "How many division has the Vatican?" The plan failed and the Stalin got a massive anticlerical propagand in the Sovietunion and in the Communist states in Eastern Europe. Only Poland was still catholic as the religion was the resistance against the Soviets. However we see the religion map of Europe, f.e. Germany, the formal German Democratic Republic's provinces are the most unreligious. The Christianity is definitely more spreaded in the West than the East. Hence the Vatican wanted destroy the Sovietunion at all cost. The cost what they with their dictators burned the whole Europe and the cost of the old christian (especially catholic) Anti-Semitism what means 6 million jewish victim.

    As I have written above now, in the 21th century with the internet what contact each other the whole world and with the post-war secular education the Church will loose Europe, well, I think will be here some christian. The centre of the Church is Latin-America, Africa and South-Asia. I am curious when put there the centre of the Papacy from the Post-Christian Europe. The contemporary pope is Latin-American, it is a sign and I would say that him will follow African and South-Asian popes too.

    The real face of the bloodthirsty Church:

    The Henchman has visited his Bosses.



    The bloodhound and its Chiefs.



    "The Catholic Curch do not politize."



    The sadly truth.


    "Remember that, even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus,"or that virtue "was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice."
    /King Baldwin IV in the Kingdom of Heaven/

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    Hitler was seeking the support of Christian churches to gain power.

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    Hitler`s Table Talk

    "So it`s not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death."
    [14/10/1941]

    "The same thing is happening to music as is happening to beauty in a world dominated by the shavelings-the Christian religion is an enemy to beauty."
    [20-21/2/1942]

    "What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level,Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level.
    When the Crown sees the throne totter,it needs the support of the masses.
    It would be better to speak of Constantine the traitor and Julian the Loyal than of Constantine the Great and Julian the Apostate."
    [27/1/1942]

    The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus,which was later called Christianity,is nothing but the Communism of to-day"
    [29-30/11/1944]

    "If God is truly interested in men being enlightened,one wonders why He resorts to torture for that purpose.
    While we`re on the subject,let`s add that,even amongst those who claim to be good Catholics,very few really believe in this humbug."

    I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."

    "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.
    It will last another hundred years,two hundred years perhaps.
    My regret will have been that I couldn`t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar."
    [27/2/1942]

    "Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don`t believe the thing`s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself."
    [14/12/1941]

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law,a protest against nature.
    Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
    [10/10/1941]

    "I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians!"

    "But Christianity is the invention of sick brains:"
    [13/12/1941]

    "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity`s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity."
    [11-12/7/1941]

    "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
    [19/10/1941]


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    Quote Originally Posted by schwab View Post
    Hitler was seeking the support of Christian churches to gain power.
    Yes, but it's a feat that he managed to secure the support of the Protestant churches. Protestants of that period were analogous to modern evangelists in their stance on the Jewish community. Germany was 2/3rd Protestant. The op overlooks this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    Hitler`s Table Talk
    Yet he never dropped his insistence that Jesus was an Aryan, not a Jew, all the way up to 1944.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wuotans Krieger View Post
    "The same thing is happening to music as is happening to beauty in a world dominated by the shavelings-the Christian religion is an enemy to beauty."
    [20-21/2/1942]
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    And as to music, Richard Wagner was a Christian. As were the large majority of all renowned composers in history.

    "What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level, Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level."
    [27/1/1942]
    Au contraire. Christianity advocates moral absolutism, while Communism advocates moral relativism.

    "
    Every judgement of conscience, be it right or wrong, be it about things evil in themselves or morally indifferent, is obligatory, in such wise that he who acts against his conscience always sins."
    ~ Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church

    "It is not the conscience of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their conscience."
    ~ Karl Marx, Founder of Communism

    The religion fabricated by Paul of Tarsus,which was later called Christianity,is nothing but the Communism of to-day"
    [29-30/11/1944]
    And yet, even today in this age of confusion, Christians are still overwhelmingly conservatives and right-wingers. That's why America has Trump, while Canada has Trudeau.

    "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.
    It will last another hundred years,two hundred years perhaps.
    My regret will have been that I couldn`t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar."
    [27/2/1942]
    The death of Christianity equals the end of all morals. Certainly, we could also arrive at the truth by reason alone, but history shows that this is simply too much demanded for almost all men. Our statesmen can't even speak three sentences without falling into a logical fallacy.

    Much progress have we made since 1942. In the West, the confusion caused by relativism and the denial of God is nearly complete. People don't even know anymore to which gender they belong. Or what is right and wrong.

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    The Church of Satan, on the other hand, is well aware that the false enlightenment values and multiculturalism are essentially Satanic. Starts at minute 5:32.



    "Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don`t believe the thing`s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself."
    [14/12/1941]
    Erm, no, that's not the obstacle. Try again?

    "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.
    Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
    [10/10/1941]
    "Whatever sets man above the beast, whether we call it 'mind' [mens] or 'spirit' [spiritus] or, more correctly, both since we find both terms in Scriptures, if this rules over and commands the other parts that make up man, then man's life is in perfect order [tunc esse hominem ordinatissimum]. . . . We are to think of a man well-ordered, therefore, when his reason rules over these movements of the soul, for we must not speak of right order, or of order at all, when the more perfect is made subject to the less perfect. . . . It follows, therefore, that when reason, [ratio] or mind [mens], or spirit [spiritus], rules over the irrational movements of the soul, then that is in control in man which ought to be, by virtue of the natural law which we found to be eternal."
    ~ St. Augustine, Bishop of Alexandria, De Diversis Questionibus Octoginta Tribus, 395 AD


    "I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians!"
    "We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
    And made them
    virgin - pure (and undefiled),
    Beloved (by nature), equal in age,
    For the Companions of the Right Hand.
    "
    ~ The Quran, Sura 56:35-38

    "Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'""
    ~ Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 39

    Erm ... how do I say it best? No, thanks.

    "But Christianity is the invention of sick brains:"
    [13/12/1941]
    "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God."
    ~ 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves."
    ~ Romans 12:9-10

    "As you saw the iron mixed with clay, so the peoples will mix with one another, but they will not hold together any more than iron mixes with clay."
    ~ Daniel 2:43

    "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
    [19/10/1941]
    I do not consider human sacrifices, pederasty, and rape, plunder, and pillage exactly "pure, light, and serene." About which "ancient world" are we talking?

    Amazing how a man so aware and competent in some things can be so deluded in others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn View Post
    Hideous, indeed.

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    And as to music, Richard Wagner was a Christian. As were the large majority of all renowned composers in history.

    Au contraire. Christianity advocates moral absolutism, while Communism advocates moral relativism.

    "
    Every judgement of conscience, be it right or wrong, be it about things evil in themselves or morally indifferent, is obligatory, in such wise that he who acts against his conscience always sins."
    ~ Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church

    "It is not the conscience of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their conscience."
    ~ Karl Marx, Founder of Communism

    And yet, even today in this age of confusion, Christians are still overwhelmingly conservatives and right-wingers. That's why America has Trump, while Canada has Trudeau.

    The death of Christianity equals the end of all morals. Certainly, we could also arrive at the truth by reason alone, but history shows that this is simply too much demanded for almost all men. Our statesmen can't even speak three sentences without falling into a logical fallacy.

    Much progress have we made since 1942. In the West, the confusion caused by relativism and the denial of God is nearly complete. People don't even know anymore to which gender they belong. Or what is right and wrong.

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    The Church of Satan, on the other hand, is well aware that the false enlightenment values and multiculturalism are essentially Satanic. Starts at minute 5:32.



    Erm, no, that's not the obstacle. Try again?


    "Whatever sets man above the beast, whether we call it 'mind' [mens] or 'spirit' [spiritus] or, more correctly, both since we find both terms in Scriptures, if this rules over and commands the other parts that make up man, then man's life is in perfect order [tunc esse hominem ordinatissimum]. . . . We are to think of a man well-ordered, therefore, when his reason rules over these movements of the soul, for we must not speak of right order, or of order at all, when the more perfect is made subject to the less perfect. . . . It follows, therefore, that when reason, [ratio] or mind [mens], or spirit [spiritus], rules over the irrational movements of the soul, then that is in control in man which ought to be, by virtue of the natural law which we found to be eternal."
    ~ St. Augustine, Bishop of Alexandria, De Diversis Questionibus Octoginta Tribus, 395 AD



    "We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
    And made them
    virgin - pure (and undefiled),
    Beloved (by nature), equal in age,
    For the Companions of the Right Hand.
    "
    ~ The Quran, Sura 56:35-38

    "Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.'""
    ~ Sunan Ibn Majah, Book 39

    Erm ... how do I say it best? No, thanks.


    "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God."
    ~ 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    "Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves."
    ~ Romans 12:9-10

    "As you saw the iron mixed with clay, so the peoples will mix with one another, but they will not hold together any more than iron mixes with clay."
    ~ Daniel 2:43

    I do not consider human sacrifices, pederasty, and rape, plunder, and pillage exactly "pure, light, and serene." About which "ancient world" are we talking?

    Amazing how a man so aware and competent in some things can be so deluded in others.

    I seek no quarrel with Christians who care for their race and folk. Religion is of course a private matter and we heathens seek no converts. Either a man or woman hears the Call of the Gods or they don't as long as they hear the Call of the Blood.
    My reasoning for posting these words of Hitler was to demonstrate Hitler's true and private thoughts on the Christian religion which he felt had done a great deal of harm to the ancient Aryan and Germanic worlds. They are not my words! It is my opinion and the opinion of Himmler that Christianity has emasculated Aryan and Germanic man and induced a guilt complex, something which one sees in the modern German population. I am truly grateful that I was born and raised in my father's country, England than the Germany of my mother for I have been spared this guilt complex and see things as they truly are.
    I have never felt freer and saner since I abandoned my once passionately held Christian faith. This abandonment was a gradual process which began shortly after the death of my mother when I was in my late 20s in the late 1980s. I rediscovered first my German heritage, taught myself German, gained 3 qualifications in German up to university level, studied other Germanic languages, the Runes and the mythology of the Germanic peoples.
    The more I immersed myself into my studies of all things Germanic the more I realised that there was a struggle in my innermost being between my Christian faith and my attraction to Wotan and the Gods of the Germanic peoples. I began to wear Runic jewellery and then a Thor's hammer (still quite unusual in the mid 1990s) although at the time I was not a heathen or not consciously so. Various tragedies occurred in my life between 1989 and 1997 which caused me to question and then gradually abandon my Christian faith. At this time I found myself in a hedonistic phase of my life as I entered early middle age and studied the philosophy of the great Nietzsche. This intensified my existential crisis. Then out of the blue, almost miraculously I received some leaflets in the post from Woden's Folk (WHO I NEVER CONTACTED) and this led to my contacting that mystical Order. From that point onwards I regained my sanity and put into PRACTICE what I had studied years before. For this reason I can never break my oaths to the Gods nor my Folk Warder. I am now Woden's servant and His instrument in this realm of being.
    Going back to some of the points you made, Hitler was not a Christian. He was raised a Catholic but gradually rejected his childhood indoctrination. I would guess that this in part was due to the influence of the writings of Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels, the founder of Ariosophy and Ostara magazine. Christianity after all rejects the racial worldview except when it magnifies the Jew. The fact that many American 'conservatives' and 'right wingers' cling to their childhood indoctrination is indicative of an inability to confront two diametrically opposed Weltanschauungen. This is due to historical reasons. I have coined a term for this phenomenon-the 'Pilgrim Fathers Complex' and have discussed this several times on my Aryan Myth and Metahistory blog.
    Wagner likewise was raised as a Christian but his lifestyle indicated that this was merely a thin cultural veneer rather than a deeply held conviction. Most of his music dramas incorporated themes from ancient German history, myth and legend. Of course his greatest work was the tetralogy Der Ring des Nibelungen, which by the way had a deep impression upon me in 1990 when I first heard this work. Herbert von Karajan is in my opinion the leading interpreter of this masterpiece. A Christian soul could never have composed such a work. Of course the majority of classical composers were 'Christian' as they were raised in an era of Christianity having a monopoly in the realm of religion. How could it any otherwise? No doubt you will point out to me that Parsifal was a 'Christian' work but this would betray a lack of knowledge not only of the music drama itself but the whole heathen basis of the Parzival myth, rooted in Celtic mythology.

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    Yet he never dropped his insistence that Jesus was an Aryan, not a Jew, all the way up to 1944.

    Most people of his era still believed in the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth even if they did not except his claims or teachings. We now know that there is no evidence to support the concept of an historical Jesus. He never existed, Jew or not.

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    Hitlers table talk is a known fraud.

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    Sometimes, in the bitter nights I go to Oak Wotan.
    Surrounded by silent glare,
    To forge an alliance with the powers at night.
    The runic letters that makes the moon with his magic spell
    and all those who during the day are full of impudence,
    They become small before the magic formula!
    They cast steel spears, but instead of hitting the target,
    Solidify into stalagmites.
    Thus, the false are separated from the real.
    I came to a nest of swords and then give my formula
    Blessings and prosperity for the good and the fair.
    (Adolf Hitler, 1915)

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    The source for the poem by Hitler is 'Adolf Hitler' by John Toland, originally published in 1976 and one of the finest biographies on the man. Toland made extensive use of previously unpublished sources.
    The German original:

    "Ich gehe manchmal in rauhen Nächten
    Zur Wotanseiche in den stillen Hain,
    Mit dunklen Mächten einen Bund zu flechten -
    Die Runen zaubert mir der Mondenschein.

    Und alle, die am Tage sich erfrechten,
    Sie werden vor der Zauberformel klein!
    Sie ziehen blank - doch statt den Strauß zu flechten,
    Erstarren sie zu Stalagmitgestein.

    So scheiden sich die Falschen von den Echten -
    Ich greife in das Fibelnest hinein
    Und gebe dann den Guten und Gerechten
    Mit meiner Formel Segen und Gedeihn."

    In addition to being an accomplished artist Hitler was also a poet but this side of Hitler has been virtually ignored by most historians.

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