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    FUTHARK Spelling

    I would like to write the name of the Vanir and Aesir Gods with runes. However there are many Runic Alphabet, f.e. the Armanen Runa, the Elder Futhark and they use different sign for a same voice. Could anyone help me that I can write with the proper spelling the Gods or anything.

    F.e. there is goddess Freyja. The F, R, E, J, A are in the Elder Futhark, but the Y (as J) doesn't including. Another sample the God Tyr. The Elder Futhark has the T and R, but It haven't got Y (as Ü) or maybe the pronunciation was Tir or Tür?

    I use to use the Armanen Runes from Norman Davies' monography: History of Europe and the Elder Futhark.

    The Elder Futhark



    The Armanen Runes


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    Younger Futhark for the viking age. There is no 100% guide to write them as there were no definitive way of writing them. Short twig, long twig etc... http://www.vikingrune.com/wp-content...c_alphabet.jpg

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    This might help, I have been using this for several projects I'm working on.

    http://www.vikingrune.com/rune-converter/

    Be sure you read the text of the website, and the instructions as to what you want.
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    The Armanen Futhork (called Futhork, not Futhark, since the 4th rune is OS) is closest to the 18 root-sounds of the Proto-Indo-European language (which has many practical implications). It is a purest, more primordial futhork.

    For instance, when we look at the language used in the Ura Linda Book, it is also closer to the sounds of the Armanen Futhork and of Proto-Indo-European. In the Ura Linda Book, is mentioned of FRYA, a more pure, rpimordial version of that name, unlike "Freja".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    The Armanen Futhork (called Futhork, not Futhark, since the 4th rune is OS) is closest to the 18 root-sounds of the Proto-Indo-European language (which has many practical implications). It is a purest, more primordial futhork.

    For instance, when we look at the language used in the Ura Linda Book, it is also closer to the sounds of the Armanen Futhork and of Proto-Indo-European. In the Ura Linda Book, is mentioned of FRYA, a more pure, rpimordial version of that name, unlike "Freja".
    Yes, by Norman Davies the meaning of the 4th Rune is OS, but he has given the "A" sound to the Rune. Another question would be why people write the Freyja with Y and J? It is a remain of an ancient pronuciation or it is just makes longer the J? The form of FRYA means Frija or Fria? Another question what does it mean Armanen? The Wikipedia doesn't write about anything.

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    The best way to write in Runic script is typically to stay as true as possible to the phonetic values, and to shy away from gemination of the same Rune, even across word boundaries (this rule was pretty strict pre-Christianisation, quite possibly due to the metaphysical and mythological implication of the runeset).

    Naturally, this becomes increasingly difficult when looking at the Younger Futhark. Whilst it clearly had rules which Rune was used for which phoneme in which neighborhood, it also lumps several sounds into one Rune, which can lead to some confusion. At the same time, the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc would enhance as they went along, and the divergence in some runes (such as the A/AE/O split) is basically true to phonological history. Then again, this is the phonological inventory as of 800 CE, not 2016, so the test here is whether to stay true to its historical sense (mostly mimicking the way English is still spelt) or whether to adjust for actual current pronounciation - the same problem arises when considering the Armanen Futhark.

    If in doubt, spell it the way it feels right. More often than not you'll find that if you're happy with the way you wrote it, the more correct it will appear to you and your associates alike.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    If you take Viking Age runic inscriptions, for instance, you will notice that the name Thorsteinn was actually spelt Thurstin in the runic alphabet of that time, so the idea is that you are not spelling the words to the letter but settling for the closest phonological equivalents of the sounds you are transcribing.

    Another problem you might be faced with could be choosing the form of the word you wish to write using Futhark : Thorsteinn was the way that name was spelt in Old Icelandic in the 13th century but was this the form Danish or Norwegian vikings actually used in the common speech of their time ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Yes, by Norman Davies the meaning of the 4th Rune is OS, but he has given the "A" sound to the Rune.
    I've never heard of Norman Davies... For the meaning of the runes it is better to refer to the works of the original Armanists like Siegfried Adolf Kummer, Rudolf Gorsleben, Karl Spiessberger, Friedrich Marby and more recently, Karl Hans Welz (disciple of Spiessberger).


    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Another question would be why people write the Freyja with Y and J? It is a remain of an ancient pronuciation or it is just makes longer the J? The form of FRYA means Frija or Fria?
    The J is just the modern pronunciation of Y in many continental Germanic languages. So they wrote it "Freja". And then - probably - the English-speakers wanted to keep this writing but needed to add a Y to pronounce it correctly ("Freyja")... So it's all just a degeneration over time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfaz View Post
    Another question what does it mean Armanen? The Wikipedia doesn't write about anything.
    The Armanen were the ancient priest-kings of the Germanic nations, who were worshiping the Godhead under the form of the Sun (not the Sun-god himself). Ancient Germanics, like other Aryans, practiced a Sun cult. The original Aryo-Germanic religion was probably very close to Zoroastrianism, a Sun- and Fire-based cult (= the Surya and Agni of the Vedic Aryans).

    'Ar' = Sun, Light. The Ar-manen were the God-men, the Sons of the Sun.

    "The a-Rune, Ar, Aar (eagle), the Eagle of the Sun, noble-man, Aryan, Arman, the Son of the Sun, Aar-fire=primal fire, the Son of God.

    Ar-Arahari, the spiritual Sun; Arimann, the Sun-Man, the Aryan.

    The Ar-Rune is also the rune of the healer, the physician (Arzt). Numerical value 10."
    [From Siegfried Adolf Kummer's Runen-Magie]
    Ar is related to the Sun and also to the Eagle, which is meaningful when we see the Zoroastrian symbol where the Sun and the Eagle are intertwined...



    The Armanen had a 'monotheistic' worship of the Godhead, or Divine consciousness that they taught to the nobility, while the commoners and householders were taught Wuotanism (the polytheistic aspect of the Wihinei - sacred teachings), where they worshiped the many gods that appear under the Godhead - which is generally more suitable to the householders' daily life.

    In other words, the commoners propitiated the gods to obtain mundane benefits, while the true spiritual seekers engaged in austerities to get closer to the One (this is reflected in Christianity, where the commoners mostly were able to related to the various saints and angels, while the Rosicrucians and Gnostics were - and still are - looking for a more direct experience of the Divine).


    Quote Originally Posted by Lothringer View Post
    If you take Viking Age runic inscriptions, for instance, you will notice that the name Thorsteinn was actually spelt Thurstin in the runic alphabet of that time, so the idea is that you are not spelling the words to the letter but settling for the closest phonological equivalents of the sounds you are transcribing. Another problem you might be faced with could be choosing the form of the word you wish to write using Futhark : Thorsteinn was the way that name was spelt in Old Icelandic in the 13th century but was this the form Danish or Norwegian vikings actually used in the common speech of their time ?
    The Viking age is just the latest period of paganism and the most degenerated. So the obsession with Viking times is binding people into ignorance.

    The researchers of the Third Reich (and of the whole 1870-1945 period) were mostly working on the Golden Age of pagan times, which was 3,000-5,000 years ago, and even before.

    Since we don't have much physical traces of that period, they relied on the study of primordial symbols (Sinnbildkunde), study of the legends, esoterism, the archaeology of ancient solar temples, and did lots of Comparative religion - which has lead to the accusations of pseudo-science.

    It is not pseudo-science, it is holistic science, while today we are stuck in materialistic science. This is why today, people feel more safe studying "Vikings" because there is plenty of archaeological and written evidence. We live in a skeptic age where people only trust what they can see and prove by A + B, which is very limiting.

    So, although we don't have any "historical evidence" for them, the Armanen runes are a much purer system than the "Elder Futhark" and others. The people who use the runes don't need historical evidence, we look at the empirical results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnenerbe View Post
    I've never heard of Norman Davies... For the meaning of the runes it is better to refer to the works of the original Armanists like Siegfried Adolf Kummer, Rudolf Gorsleben, Karl Spiessberger, Friedrich Marby and more recently, Karl Hans Welz (disciple of Spiessberger).
    Norman Davies is a fameous contemporary British historican. His main work is the History of Europe/Europe a History* and in this work ha has choosed the Armanen Runes to explain the meaning of the Runes: the number, the sound, the letter, the Ancient German form of the world and the contemporary meaning.

    F.e.:

    1. /f/ f *fehu cattle, wealth

    * This is the book, I think it has very balanced thought.


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